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00:00 - Intro
0:12 - Vlad discusses his initiative to seize assets from Russian oligarchs to fund Ukraine's reconstruction.
00:00 - Introduction of the guest Georges Dallemagne, Belgian politician, doctor and writer.
01:06 - 02:45 : Petras discusses Russia as a state sponsor of terrorism. He suggest that Russia's involvement in various acts of terrorism around the world should be acknowledged and condemned by the international community.
00:00 - We begin our discussion by acknowledging that democracy cannot be taken for granted and why it is essential to protect it.
Dubravka Šuica: You know that I was not born in a democracy, so I experienced the war in Croatia, and 32 years later I can compare what happened in Croatia at that time when we had that atrocious war, and it’s similar to the war that is unfortunately ravaging in Ukraine so I can understand the situation and I feel sympathy and empathy for the Ukrainian people and especially for Ukrainian women and children, because at the time of war I was a refugee myself and I was also hiding in shelters, the same as you are experiencing now in Ukraine.
In today's episode, we will talk about the role of the EU during the Euromaidan Revolution, about the attribution of the war only to Putin or to Russians in general, and about designating Russia as a terrorist state.
We will explore how civil society plays a vital role in defending democracy and how it can help safeguard our democratic institutions.
Marta Barandiy: This is something where you would also involve civil society. Would Ukrainian civil society play a role there?
Dubravka Šuica: Of course, we have a significant role in our work that relies on civil society; you know that I co-led the Conference on the Future of Europe, which is the most important democratic exercise ever, exercising their right to democracy, and we did it in co-habitation with civil society so the other day, I was a guest in a European committee for economic and social affairs…Marta Barandiy: Where we met?
Dubravka Šuica: …where we met is essential for civil society, so we usually have them on board. Regarding Ukrainian civil society, of course, there would be some, but this is about European democracies. You are a candidate country, and I hope you will consider it because you are on the path of your reform process.
Marta Barandiy: The thing is that Ukrainian civil society could be the one in Ukraine but could also be the one in the EU, and maybe the one in the EU could be considered because Ukrainian civil society is here but also Georgian with the new situation in Georgia, this could also be something considered by you like these nations are the ones who know about defending democracy better than anyone else nowadays.
With Vice President of the European Commission Dubravka Ĺ uica, we begin our discussion by acknowledging that democracy cannot be taken for granted and why it is essential to protect it.
Marta Barandiy: Vice President Ĺ uica, we are delighted that you are hosting us here and starting our podcast series: Unlock Ukraine. This is very symbolic for us because, you know, Ukrainians defend democracy today, and you are the one who defends democracy in the EU, being vice president of the European Commission, who is responsible for defending democracy. How do you feel about this particular mission, seeing that Ukraine is also a candidate member of the European Union?
Dubravka Šuica: Thank you for having me here today, of course you know the title of my portfolio is Democracy and Demography; you ask me about democracy; of course, democracy can’t be taken for granted if you look at what’s going on in Ukraine, what’s going on with Russia’s war in Ukraine where Russia is attacking Ukrainian citizens, Ukrainian people and they deny the identity of Ukrainians. So, you are at the forefront of defending democracy. Yes, we are defending democracy here in the European Commission, and we are preparing one big package, which is called the Democracy Defense Package, which will deal with the legislation of democracy. Unfortunately, this situation in Ukraine shows that we have to defend democracy though some citizens, here in Europe, might think we are fine, that we have a liberal democracy, but then today, there is no business as usual, so we have to defend it, and we are preparing legislation which will help us identify foreign interference, misinformation, and fake news, but to do this, we have to make our citizens of Europe understand what misinformation is and what is genuine information we have to create a civic space where we will show our citizens and teach our children how to differentiate good from bad, evil from good. It’s a task now; I am working on this piece of legislation with my colleague, Vice President Jourová.
Welcome to Unlock Ukraine, a podcast where we explore the cultural, historical and political aspects of Europe.
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