How does it feel to win England’s first major tournament since 1966? Has life changed since that win and should you jump off a waterfall during a World Cup? Ellen White tells Kammy and Ben the answers to all of these on the latest Proper Football Podcast. She explains why losing wasn't an option having been beaten in the semi-finals at the 2015 and 2019 World Cups, why Sarina Wiegman was the England manager she’d been waiting for and remembers receiving a hostile reception on the pitch at Cologne shortly after the Euros. Elsewhere, she recalls an on pitch tussle with Alex Scott, why the Americans were just more streetwise at the 2019 World Cup and how she ended up with a punctured lung after receiving acupuncture. Meanwhile, Kammy explains why he wasn’t the most able seaman when he was in the navy, talks us through the best goal of his career and Ellen’s revelation that Edgar Davids was her football hero leads to a funny story from Kammy and Ben. To get in touch with Kammy and Ben, or to ask them a question, email [email protected]