Evan Minsker, former Pitchfork news director and now owner of the punk newsletter See/Saw, joins us to talk about the ongoing trend of punk/hardcore musicians pivoting to indie-pop. From Lumpy and the Dumpers going indie-pop and Hank Wood and the Hammerheads going....somewhere, to the RJC/Militarie Gun and Trapped Under Ice/Angel Du$t dichotomies, we cover a wide range of bands on this ep.

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