St. Lawrence philosophy prof Jennifer L. Hansen, one of the most frequent guest on Mark’s podcasts and expert in feminist philosophy, here hits it off with our new host Mary. We act out vegan jerky time, snacktime at the all-girls clubhouse, and two gals getting pulled over by a cop.

Does the “come debate me” style of philosophy include unnecessarily masculine tropes? How does this Charlie Kirk model relate to what Socrates was doing? What are alternative, fun ways to get students to talk in philosophy classes?

The inspirational figure that Mary refers to is Viola Spolin.

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Image note: In asking MidJourney to draw me “crazy town,” its only way of interpreting that image was to give me variations where the buildings are of various bright colors. This option I thought was exceptional in that it seems like the town is being bombed, which seemed morbidly appropriate given current goings-on.