We chat about how easy it is to slip into anxious negative talk, knowing there's an end coming and how slowing down and chatting to family on walks is something she wants to continue in the future. 

We discuss why we don't do the things that we know make us feel good, bubbles becoming puddles and how diversity and inclusion must do what they say they will. 

We discuss getting to know yourself, solo parenting and being forced to be in the same physical space for long periods of time for the first time in her life. 

We chatted about how we surprise ourselves, protecting what we have instead of always creating new and seeing crisis as an opportunity. 

We discuss battling the days, how the roles have shifted and not feeling guilty about just getting through. A lovely interjection from her 3 year old daughter for real life yo! 

We chatted about stories that still need to be told during this current situation, bursts of crying that many of us are having happen at the moment, travelling to Queenstown and rule of thumb: don't ever get the person you're interviewing's surname WRONG JANE. 

We chatted about coming from the USA and living in Poland during this time, writing poetry that is digging deep into all that motherhood entails and her two babies at home with her

We talked about letting go of the art of perfection, how we hate crafting and how communicating with whoever you live with is vital. 

We chatted and swore alot about navigating toddlers, getting up at 2am to get work done and what we want to do once we're allowed out. Spoiler: go to a bar. 

We explore the grief we're all feeling right now, how the creative industry has an opportunity to shine a light and lift up those voices we often miss, vodka tonics at 3pm and who we want to hug. Oh and we laugh. A lot.