Zack Johnson joins me to talk about The Talisman, Stephen King's 1984 collaboration with Peter Straub that acts as a rough draft for many concepts in The Dark Tower saga. Jack is a young boy learns that the world has a dual nature. He's given a mission to venture to California, shifting back and forth between America and the Territories, to retrieve the Talisman and save his mother's life. To bad his uncle is standing in his way.