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This is an episode from the podcast Untethering Shame with Kyira Wackett, who invited me to appear on her show.

Here is her overview of the episode:

In this episode, Dr. Rose Aslan and I discuss shame, fear, and Islamophobia. We explore how these forces perpetuate systems of oppression and uphold patriarchal structures of power. 

We also discuss the importance of recognizing the humanity of individuals and the need to untether ourselves from shame. Dr. Aslan shares her personal journey of activism and using her voice to bring awareness to social justice issues alongside her experiences as a Muslim woman in academia and the challenges she faced in navigating different worlds. 

She highlights the power of social media in giving voice to marginalized communities and the privilege that often accompanies academic credentials. Dr. Aslan shares her journey of leaving academia and focusing on supporting women in creating change in their lives. 

She emphasizes the importance of self-care and finding balance in order to make a meaningful impact. The conversation also touches on the need for authentic activism and the role of marketing in perpetuating stereotypes and Islamophobia.

Takeaways

Shame, fear, and Islamophobia are interconnected and perpetuate systems of oppression.

Recognizing the humanity of individuals is crucial in dismantling these systems.

Using our voices and platforms to bring awareness to social justice issues is important.

Untethering ourselves from shame is necessary for personal and collective liberation. Social media has given marginalized communities a powerful platform to share their experiences and challenge dominant narratives.

Academic credentials often come with privilege and can grant individuals access to mainstream media platforms, even if they lack direct experience or understanding of the communities they speak about.

Finding balance and practicing self-care is essential for sustaining activism and making a meaningful impact.

Authentic activism requires going beyond performative actions and engaging in deep reflection and understanding of the issues at hand.

Marketing plays a significant role in perpetuating stereotypes and Islamophobia, and it is important to challenge and dismantle these narratives.

Creating space for marginalized voices and supporting women in their journeys of self-discovery and empowerment can have a ripple effect in creating positive change.

 00:00 - Introduction and Welcome

01:01 - Dr. Rose Aslan's Journey and Dedication to Empowerment

06:05 - Navigating the Challenges of Life

08:37 - The Ebb and Flow of Life

33:21 - The Power of Social Media and Amplifying Marginalized Voices

34:12 - Navigating Different Worlds: Challenges in Academia

36:05 - Finding Balance and Practicing Self-Care in Activism

38:35 - Authentic Activism: Going Beyond Performative Actions

42:10 - The Role of Marketing in Perpetuating Stereotypes

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Music credits: Vocals: Zeynep Dilara Aslan; Ney/drum: Elif Önal; Tanbur: Katherine Hreib; Rebap: Hatice Gülbahar Hepsev

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In this rich conversation, Dr. Sa’diyya Shaikh, Professor in the Study of Religions at the University of Cape Town, shares her personal journey of growing up as a Muslim in South Africa during the apartheid era and how this informs her study of Islam and worldview. With a profound interest in Sufism, Sa’diyya explores the intersection of spirituality, gender ethics, feminist theory, and social justice, illuminating how these realms influence each other.

As a scholar-activist, Sa’diyya brings humility from her spiritual practice and a unique approach to liberation theology, motivating her to fight for the oppressed. She delves into the spiritual legacy of Islam, emphasizing how Muslims can engage with the Divine through attributes. Sa’diyya rejects the gendered limitations of the Divine, suggesting that Muslims can cultivate both power (Jalali) and beauty (Jamali) within themselves. Her extensive work includes interpretations of Islamic texts, Islamic feminism, and the embodied ethics of contemporary Muslim women. Sa’diyya also shares insights on balancing emotional and spiritual health with family and work life demands.


Sa’diyya Shaikh specializes in the study of Islam, gender ethics, and feminist theory, with a special interest in Sufism. Her study of Islam began with an abiding interest in existential questions and a commitment to social justice – much of her work is animated by interest and curiosity about the relationship between the realms of the spiritual and the political. She has published on interpretations of the Qur’an, hadith, and Sufi texts; Islamic feminism; religions and gender-based violence; Sufism and Islamic Law; contemporary Muslim women’s embodied ethics; and marriage, sexuality, and reproductive choices amongst South African Muslim women. 

Sa’diyya is the author of Sufi Narratives of Intimacy: Ibn ʿArabī, Gender, and Sexuality (2012) and co-author and editor of The Women’s Khutbah Book: Contemporary Sermons on Spirituality and Justice from Around the World (2022) In her current work on ethics and Sufism, as well as in her own spiritual life, Sa’diyya draws on the inspiration, transmission, writings and teachings of several contemporary Sufi teachers including Shaykh Muhammad Rahim Bawa Muhiyadin (rahmatullah alayhi), Shaykha Cemal Nur Sargut, Shaykh Fadhlalla Haeri and Shaykha Fawzia Al-Rawi.

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Music credits: Vocals: Zeynep Dilara Aslan; Ney/drum: Elif Önal; Tanbur: Katherine Hreib; Rebap: Hatice Gülbahar Hepsev

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In this episode, I speak with a woman whose podcast has deeply inspired me and whose writings have made significant waves in anti-racism movements. I had the opportunity to fangirl a little with Layla F. Saad as we discussed her journey to becoming an anti-racist changemaker and activist.

Layla is known for addressing issues of racism and social justice, but this is her first time speaking publicly about her beliefs and identity as a Muslim woman. The ongoing genocides in Gaza, Sudan, and Congo have profoundly strengthened Layla’s connection to the Divine through the concept of justice grounded within the Islamic tradition. 

Our conversation also covers a range of other topics, including how Layla’s recent diagnosis as neurodivergent has changed how she interacts with the world and enabled her to understand herself better. Layla also shares her perspective on the importance of experiencing collective trauma, grief, and rage as part of our shared humanity.

Layla Saad is a New York Times and Sunday Times bestselling author, speaker, teacher, and cultural worker. She is the author of the groundbreaking anti-racism book Me and White Supremacy and the host of the Become A Good Ancestor and Good Ancestor Podcasts. 

Find Layla online here: https://www.instagram.com/laylafsaad/ 
Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/becomeagoodancestor 

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Music credits: Vocals: Zeynep Dilara Aslan; Ney/drum: Elif Önal; Tanbur: Katherine Hreib; Rebap: Hatice Gülbahar Hepsev

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In this episode, Rose reflects on her creative work and the inspiration behind her podcast. In her life, she often explores ways to help others feel like they are not alone and are not the only ones who don’t feel like they fit into the status quo. Rose is motivated by her own experiences of being isolated and lonely and how she was able to thrive in communities with other women. The podcast shares stories of resilience from women from diverse backgrounds, and Rose discusses how it intersects with her work as a life coach, writer, space holder, and group facilitator. 

You’ll get a glimpse of Rose's in-progress book projects and various activities, such as facilitating healing circles and group coaching programs. One theme in her work that comes up a lot is how she supports clients in reconnecting with spirituality on their own terms. 

The episode offers a glimpse into Rose's journey, which led her to find her calling in guiding others to reclaim their power from within. Listeners learn why Rose's holistic, trauma-informed, compassion-centered approach can help inspire and motivate listeners on their own paths of personal growth.

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Music credits: Vocals: Zeynep Dilara Aslan; Ney/drum: Elif Önal; Tanbur: Katherine Hreib; Rebap: Hatice Gülbahar Hepsev

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Rose welcomes listeners back to Rahma with Rose for the podcast's second season. She offers an update about her life and struggles and describes her Ramadan 2024 experience. She emphasizes the need to stay empathetic and aware while witnessing the genocide of the people of Gaza.

Rose talks about the difficult but empowering process of unshaming and models why unshaming can be so powerful. She invites listeners to join her on her path towards healing and rahma, or compassion, offering practical strategies for getting closer to their authentic selves.

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Music credits: Vocals: Zeynep Dilara Aslan; Ney/drum: Elif Önal; Tanbur: Katherine Hreib; Rebap: Hatice Gülbahar Hepsev

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In this podcast episode, Zaahida Mahomedy shares her spiritual awakening and personal growth journey. Beginning her spiritual exploration at 13, influenced by her grandmother's devotion to the Qur’an, Zaahida navigated the challenges of growing up in a conservative Indian Muslim community in apartheid South Africa. Her journey took a significant turn in her mid-20s when she was diagnosed with an autoimmune disease. This health crisis deepened her spiritual path and highlighted the connection between emotional well-being and physical health.

Zaahida emphasizes the importance of emotional processing, nervous system regulation, and setting boundaries in the healing process. She talks about redefining her identity as a Muslim woman and advocating a holistic and personal engagement with the Quran. Zaahida's story is an inspiring example of resilience and transformation, demonstrating the power of faith and inner work in overcoming life's challenges and embracing authentic living.

Visit Zaahida on Instagram: @liveinspiredza or her website: https://zaahidamahomedy.com/.

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In this episode, Rose candidly converses with Shehla Faiza on her podcast, I'm a Muslim (And That's OK!), sharing her experiences as a "professional Muslim" in the U.S. and why she eventually left that role. Rose discussed the challenges and pressures she faced while representing Islam in academia and interfaith activism, particularly during the Trump era. She also discusses her decision to relocate to Istanbul and shift away from academia. This time, Rose is the guest being interviewed instead of the host, and she offers a deep dive into the complexities of public representation of Islam in the United States. Rose gives props to those continuing the hard but necessary work while also realizing that her time in that field had come to an end, at least in her former roles.

Watch this episode on Youtube on Shehla’s channel here.

Visit her website: https://www.imamuslimpodcast.com/

Follow her on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/imamuslimpodcast/

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Listen to my chat with Dr. Rebecca Masterton as we explore her journey of finding spiritual meaning in secular British society. Rebecca talks honestly about feeling out of place in a society where deep spirituality isn't often a priority. She shares her story of how finding Islam brought her peace and a sense of fitting in.

In our conversation, Rebecca also gets real about balancing intuition with rationality and the dangers of blindly following spiritual teachers. From being a normal British teenager with a thirst for knowledge, to following a Hindu guru as a college student, later joining a Sufi order, and finally finding her path within Shi'ism, Rebecca's journey reveals her curiosity about the world and deep longing for connecting to the Divine.

Influenced by her deep understanding of Shi’i theology, she highlights why it's key to balancing our inner feelings with smart thinking – this isn't just about believing; it’s about understanding ourselves and the choices we make in our lives. Tune in for a real, down-to-earth discussion about navigating faith, questioning norms, and forging your own path.

Find out more about Dr. Rebecca Masterton at her website: https://onlineshiastudies.com.

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Music credits: Vocals: Zeynep Dilara Aslan; Ney/drum: Elif Önal; Tanbur: Katherine Hreib; Rebap: Hatice Gülbahar Hepsev

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In this episode, I speak with Amanda Quraishi, aka Q, about her life journey through numerous religious and spiritual communities. We walk through the sensitive territory of leaving a cult in her youth, exploring various spiritual paths, and becoming a Muslim interfaith activist in the post-9/11 United States.  

Q shares her candid struggles with mental health, the challenges of representing Islam for several decades, and how she endured and came out of intense burnout from community activism. Q discusses the complexities of navigating spirituality in a modern context, her struggles with spiritual identity, and how she now embraces sitting in peace with the ambiguity of life. We discuss ways in which Q found herself again after intense introspection and healing work and how she practices self-care and connection with others.

Amanda Quraishi, aka Q, is a writer from Austin, Texas.

Visit her website: amandaquraishi.com

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Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/AmandaTheQ
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/amandaquraishi/
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Threads: https://www.threads.net/@amandaquraishi

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In this heartfelt conversation, I sit down with A. Helwa, whose writings have touched tens of thousands of people around the world, the celebrated author of Secrets of Divine Love: A Spiritual Journey into the Heart of Islam. We explore her personal journey through stages of spiritual awakening. Helwa opens up about her passionate belief that every person is profoundly loved by the Divine and shares her view that the spiritual path is a process of continuous discovery rather than a static destination. 

We hear how she started with an intense period of connection to Islam as a pre-teen to a young adult life marked by spiritual estrangement and then to a reawakening of her Islamic spirituality sparked by her travels and encounters with diverse religious communities. Helwa shares transformative life moments and unpacks how writing poetry and sitting with various spiritual teachers aided her path. Tune in to learn about the ebbs and flows of spiritual seeking and how to cultivate a lifelong thirst for the Divine. What does your spiritual journey look like, and how can Helwa’s experiences inspire your own continuous discovery?

Learn more about A. Helwa’s work and how to approach the Divine through love at Instagram: @a.helwa or her website: www.authorahelwa.com.

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Music credits: Vocals: Zeynep Dilara Aslan; Ney/drum: Elif Önal; Tanbur: Katherine Hreib; Rebap: Hatice Gülbahar Hepsev