In this episode of the Different podcast, Jill Rowe talks with Steve Chalke about raising one another's humanity. They discuss the need to face up to the dehumanising that we see in society and the impact when othering starts and blame is directed towards those who are different to us.

They explore together just how powerful it is to know people by name, to listen to and learn about their storey, and to always, always, always raise our humanity and connection above everything else.

And through it all, they come to understand that when we choose to humanise rather than blame, we are transformed along with the world around us. That makes this conversation a must listen.

Our title music is written and performed by Jerome Alexander (Message to Bears).

This podcast is powered by Oasis. Edited and mixed by Matteo Magariello. Produced by Peter Kerwood.

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