Different with Steve Chalke and Jill Rowe

In this episode of the Different podcast, Jill Rowe and Steve Chalke chat about one of the Oasis 9 Habits: being hopeful. From starting with the beauty of white hair through to the wisdom of St Augustine of Hippo, from recognising the world of difference between wishful thinking and the fierce reality of hope, we talk about how hope sweats as we take the steps needed to bring about the better future we imagine. We chat about the importance of elders of hope—those who have gone before and know the way. This was such a hope-fuelling conversation. We pray you find it so, too.

Our title music is written and performed by Jerome Alexander (Message to Bears).

This podcast is powered by Oasis. Edited and mixed by Matteo Magariello. Produced by Peter Kerwood.

Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

In this episode of the Different podcast, Jill Rowe and Steve Chalke chat about some things they wish they'd known when they were younger. What is it that they would most want to say to their younger selves? What are the bits of wisdom they think might have helped them? As they chatted, they reflected on the kinds of things others have said to them, the choices they made, and how those choices have shaped how they show up in the world today. And it got us wondering as well: what might you say to your younger self if you could? This episode is part one. There's more to come.

Our title music is written and performed by Jerome Alexander (Message to Bears).

This podcast is powered by Oasis. Edited and mixed by Matteo Magariello. Produced by Peter Kerwood.

Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

In this episode of the Different podcast, Jill Rowe and Steve Chalke talk about why we sometimes struggle to ask for help, opting instead to deflect and blame rather than being vulnerable and asking for the help and support we need. From compression socks to the importance of boundaries and knowing ourselves so that we can be honest in our interactions and expectations, this conversation was full of lessons learned, simple stuff discovered in the mess of life, and the realisation that asking for help is liberating and life-bringing for us and those around us. Interdependence truly is a virtue, and perhaps asking for help is actually a sacred act.

Our title music is written and performed by Jerome Alexander (Message to Bears).

This podcast is powered by Oasis. Edited and mixed by Matteo Magariello. Produced by Peter Kerwood.

Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

In this episode of the Different podcast Steve Chalk and Jill Rowe discuss the interplay between purpose and vision in personal and professional contexts. They argue that purpose goes beyond motivation and is rooted in a deeper sense of meaning and fulfilment, while vision provides direction for achieving goals. They emphasise the importance of recognising how each person contributes to a shared vision and striving to be 'wisdom rich' in work and relationships.

Our title music is written and performed by Jerome Alexander (Message to Bears).

This podcast is powered by Oasis. Edited and mixed by Matteo Magariello. Produced by Peter Kerwood.

Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

In this episode of the Different podcast, Jill Rowe and Steve Chalke discuss the concept of 'thin places,' where the divide between heaven and earth disappears, offering a chance to encounter the divine in everyday life.

They talk about how these thin places give us respite and perspective, and through our conversation, we come to see that each day, place and person holds the possibility where we can encounter and notice the divine if we see and understand differently, everywhere is holy ground, and that changes everything we even ask what all this has got to do with social policy. We hope you enjoy this conversation.

Our title music is written and performed by Jerome Alexander (Message to Bears).

This podcast is powered by Oasis. Edited and mixed by Matteo Magariello. Produced by Peter Kerwood.

Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

In this episode of the Different podcast, Jill Rowe and Steve Chalke talk about Oasis Restore, the first ever secure school in this country.

Built on a trauma-informed therapeutic model, we chat about believing that relentless love underpins everything, and recognise that this approach should always be the approach.

So how do we make relentless love our strategy when others believe that love is easy and soft? Together, we explore and unpack how relentless love is, in fact, the hardest way and the best way, helping to create connection, belonging, and safety.

This is a revolution in the justice system, and this conversation explains why.

Our title music is written and performed by Jerome Alexander (Message to Bears).

This podcast is powered by Oasis. Edited and mixed by Matteo Magariello. Produced by Peter Kerwood.

Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

In this episode of the Different podcast, I talk with Steve Chalke about shame and guilt. We chat about an experience at an AA meeting, and what a revelation it was of honesty and hope. We explore how shame can cause us to feel unworthy and even paralyse us. Guilt, on the other hand, we see can motivate and move us towards transformation, and making amends. And together we explore more about believing how we are all loved and lovable. And we wonder how different things might be if we believed we are actually, beloved by God. We recognise that we all need champions who affirm that this belovedness is true. So we pray that as you listen, this sense of being beloved finds a home in you.

Our title music is written and performed by Jerome Alexander (Message to Bears).

This podcast is powered by Oasis. Edited and mixed by Matteo Magariello. Produced by Peter Kerwood.

Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

In this episode of the Different podcast, Steve Chalke and I talk about why lament really matters, especially when we are surrounded on every side by seeming chaos. and the 24 hour news cycle. We chat about how to find our way when things seem out of control. And we think about discovering a healthy practice of lemon, through which we can help and support one another. As we go through disruption. We realise that lament is a sacred and holy act. So instead of despising it, see that we can grow through it and find the courage we need to help create a better and more generous world. It felt like this conversation really mattered.

Our title music is written and performed by Jerome Alexander (Message to Bears).

This podcast is powered by Oasis. Edited and mixed by Matteo Magariello. Produced by Peter Kerwood.

Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

In this episode of the Different podcast, Steve Chalke and I talk about the human instinct to keep our distance from what is hard or challenging or doesn’t make sense. Via talk of playing hockey, having asthma, and wondering how God would figure in a game of Top Trumps, we chat about the way some beliefs leave us unable to manage the joy and pain of life and actually cause us harm rather than helping us. And we think through where God might be in all of this. This was a hope-filled, honest and enlightening conversation – we trust you will find it helpful and hopeful too.

Our title music is written and performed by Jerome Alexander (Message to Bears).

This podcast is powered by Oasis. Edited and mixed by Matteo Magariello. Produced by Peter Kerwood.

Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

In this episode of the Different podcast Steve Chalke and I explore how are struggle to like and love others is connected to our struggle to like and love ourselves. We talk about the work of the philosopher, Martin Buber, and reflect on a tweet from Elmo of Sesame Street fame. We explore the impact that knowing we are loved by others can have on what we believe about ourselves. And, reflecting on the words of Anthony de Mello, we consider the invitation to behold the one beholding us and smiling and try and understand how we can be a conduit for the divine in our relationships with others and how this can change everything.

Our title music is written and performed by Jerome Alexander (Message to Bears).

This podcast is powered by Oasis. Edited and mixed by Matteo Magariello. Produced by Peter Kerwood.

Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.