This is an in-between ‘extras’ episode. Our episodes are normally not more than an hour in length, which means that we usually have to cut a certain amount of material in the editing. But for Episode 3, we had much more material than usual. So we kept the episode down to an hour, but decided to release an ‘extras’ episode, with some of the bits we edited out.

It’s a bit disjointed, but we hope you enjoy it.

THINGS WE MENTION

Character discussion:

• Sheila Kaye-Smith and G.B. Stern, Talking of Jane Austen (1943) and More Talk of Jane Austen (1950)

Historical discussion:

• The Aubrey & Maturin novels of Patrick O’Brien
• Admiral Thomas Cochrane (1775-1860)

Popular culture discussion:

• BBC Film, Persuasion (1995) – starring Amanda Root and Ciarán Hinds
• The Bounty (1984)

CREATIVE COMMONS MUSIC USED

• Extract from Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart, Sonata No. 12 in F Major, ii. Adagio.
• Extract from Joseph Haydn, Piano Sonata No. 38. Performance by Ivan Ilić, recorded in Manchester in December, 2006. File originally from IMSLP.
• Extract from Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart, Sonata No. 13 in B-Flat Major, iii. Allegretto Grazioso. File originally from Musopen.
• Extract from George Frideric Handel, Suite I, No. 2 in F Major, ii. Allegro. File originally from Musopen.
• Extract from Ludwig van Beethoven, Piano Sonata No. 28 in A major. File originally from Musopen.

In this episode, we talk about how how Jane Austen tells us about the feelings of Anne and Captain Wentworth, and how the narrator captures Anne’s emotions; the building up of the relationship between Charles and Mary, and their reaction to Little Charles’ accident; Mrs Musgrove’s feelings about her son; and Mrs Croft’s travels.

The character we discuss is Captain Wentworth. In the historical section, Harriet’s partner Michael talks about the Navy, and for popular culture both Harriet and Michael discuss 1995 BBC film adaptation of Persuasion.

Things we mention:

General discussion:

• Janet Todd and Antje Blank [Editors], The Cambridge Edition of the Works of Jane Austen: Persuasion (2006)
• Google map of locations in Persuasion

Character discussion:

• First Impressions podcast, ‘Ep 17: Persuading Kristin to Like Persuasion‘, 22 January 2017.

Historical discussion:

• The Aubrey & Maturin novels of Patrick O’Brien
• The Hornblower novels of C.S. Forester
• Admiral Thomas Cochrane (1775-1860)
• Security to Merchant Ships Act 1707 (6 Ann. c. 65), generally known as the Cruisers and Convoys Act 1708
• Distribution of prize money: see table on our website

Popular culture discussion:

• BBC Film, Persuasion (1995) – starring Amanda Root and Ciarán Hinds
  • Watch on YouTube
  • Stairs on the Cobb (photo)
  • Louisa’s fall (this YouTube video shows the same scene from four different adaptations of Persuasion)
• The Bounty (1984)

Creative commons music used:

• Extract from Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart, Sonata No. 12 in F Major, ii. Adagio.
• Extract from Joseph Haydn, Piano Sonata No. 38. Performance by Ivan Ilić, recorded in Manchester in December, 2006. File originally from IMSLP.
• Extract from Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart, Sonata No. 13 in B-Flat Major, iii. Allegretto Grazioso. File originally from Musopen.
• Extract from George Frideric Handel, Suite I, No. 2 in F Major, ii. Allegro. File originally from Musopen.
• Extract from Christoph Willibald Gluck, Orfeo ed Euridice. File from IMSLP.
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In this episode, we talk about how the backstory of Anne and Wentworth is presented without comedy, and yet is absolutely enjoyable. We then move on to the introduction of Mary, and why she is the way she is, the generational change we see in the Musgrove family, and the very unsympathetic portrayal of Dick Musgrove.

The character we discuss is Lady Russell. In the historical section, Ellen talks about social precedence, and for popular culture Harriet has watched the 1972 Spanish television adaptation of Persuasion.

Things we mention:

General discussion:

• Janet Todd and Antje Blank [Editors], The Cambridge Edition of the Works of Jane Austen: Persuasion (2006)
• George Eliot, Middlemarch(1872)
• Maria Edgeworth, The Good French Governess (1801)
• Charlotte M. Yonge, The Daisy Chain (1856)
• Ethel Turner, Seven Little Australians(1894)

Historical discussion:

• Anthony Powell, The Acceptance World (1955)
• The Right Hon. the Countess of *******, Mixing in Society: A Complete Manual of Manners (1870)
• Debrett’s Tables of Precedence

Popular culture discussion:

• TVE, Novela: Persuasión (1972) – starring Maite Blasco and Juan Diego
  • Watch on YouTube: Playlist

Creative commons music used:

• Extract from Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart, Sonata No. 12 in F Major, ii. Adagio.
• Extract from Joseph Haydn, Piano Sonata No. 38. Performance by Ivan Ilić, recorded in Manchester in December, 2006. File originally from IMSLP.
• Extract from Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart, Sonata No. 13 in B-Flat Major, iii. Allegretto Grazioso. File originally from Musopen.
• Extract from George Frideric Handel, Suite I, No. 2 in F Major, ii. Allegro. File originally from Musopen.
• Extract from Christoph Willibald Gluck, Orfeo ed Euridice. File from IMSLP.
• Extract from Ludwig van Beethoven, Piano Sonata No. 28 in A major. File originally from Musopen.

In this episode, we talk about the publishing history of Persuasion, the precise dates we are given in the book, the fact that we learn very little about Anne in the first chapters, and how well Mr Shepherd is managing Sir Walter.

The character we discuss is Sir Walter Elliot. In the historical section, Ellen talks about baronets, and for popular culture Harriet gives an overview of the screen adaptations of Persuasion, and then talks in more detail about the about the 1971 BBC adaptation.

Things we mention:

Historical discussion:

• John Debrett, The Baronetage of England, containing their Descent and Present State (1808)
• William Dugdale, The antient usage in bearing of such ensigns of honour as are commonly called arms (1682)
• Thomas Wotton, The English Baronetage : containing a genealogical and historical account of all the English baronets, now existing (1741)
• John Burke, A Genealogical and Heraldic History of the Landed Gentry (1838)

Popular culture discussion:

• BBC, Persuasion (1960) – starring Daphne Slater and Paul Daneman
• BBC, Persuasion (1971) – starring Ann Firbank and Bryan Marshall
  • Watch on YouTube: Part 1 and Part 2
  • Stairs on the Cobb
• TVE, Novela: Persuasión (1972) – starring Maite Blasco and Juan Diego
• BBC Film, Persuasion (1995) – starring Amanda Root and Ciarán Hinds
• Clerkenwell Films, Persuasion (2007) – starring Sally Hawkins and Rupert Penry-Jones
• Netflix, Persuasion (2022) – starring Dakota Johnson and Cosmo Jarvis

Creative commons music used:

• Extract from Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart, Sonata No. 12 in F Major, ii. Adagio.
• Extract from Joseph Haydn, Piano Sonata No. 38. Performance by Ivan Ilić, recorded in Manchester in December, 2006. File originally from IMSLP.
• Extract from Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart, Sonata No. 13 in B-Flat Major, iii. Allegretto Grazioso. File originally from Musopen.
• Extract from George Frideric Handel, Suite I, No. 2 in F Major, ii. Allegro. File originally from Musopen.
• Extract from Ludwig van Beethoven, Piano Sonata No. 28 in A major. File originally from Musopen.

Just a quick update to let you know that our Persuasion season will be starting in November. We've recorded the first few episodes, but Harriet has been too busy at work to finish editing them. She's going to be away for a few weeks, but will start releasing the episodes on her return in November.

We've added the new season to the website menu, with a provisional episode listing. 

In this episode, we finish up Emma with chapters 51 to 55. We talk about the decision for Mr Knightley to move to Hartfield, the resolution of Harriet’s story, and the final scenes between Mr and Mrs Elton. We also reflect on the insights we have gained through this close reading of Emma, and how it has changed our views of the novel.

The character we discuss is Jane Fairfax. In the historical section, Ellen briefly revisits her earlier comments about vicars, and then talks about magistrates. For popular culture Harriet talks about four books that retell some or all of the story through the point of view of a different character.

Things we mention:

General and character discussion:

• Richard Cronin and Dorothy McMillan [Editors], The Cambridge Edition of the Works of Jane Austen: Emma (2005)
• Janet Saidi, ‘Jane Fairfax Drops the Mic‘, The Austen Connection (9 September 2021)

Historical discussion:

• William Savage, ‘The Georgian Clergy’, Pen and Pension (16 May 2018)
• Charlotte M. Yonge, Talks about the Laws We Live Under (1850)
• Irene Collins, Jane Austen and the Clergy (1994)
• Alan Lambert, ‘650 years of the office of Justice of the Peace/Magistrate‘, Amicus Curiae Issue 88 (2011)
• Elizabeth Gaskell, My Lady Ludlow (1858)

Popular culture discussion:

• Naomi Royde-Smith, Jane Fairfax (1940)
  • William Makepeace Thackeray, Vanity Fair (1847) – the character of Becky Sharpe appears in Jane Fairfax
  • Characters from the novels of Maria Edgeworth also appear (and probably other novelists as well)
• Joan Austen-Leigh, A Visit to Highbury: Another View of Emma (1995)
• Diana Birchall, In Defense of Mrs Elton (1999)
• Amanda Grange, Mr Knightley’s Diary (2006)

For a list of music used, see this episode on our website.   

In this episode, we are joined by Harriet’s partner, Michael, and read chapters 46 to 50 of Emma. We talk about Emma’s emotional roller coaster, reactions to the Frank-Jane revelation, the proposal scene and Emma’s commitment to her father.

The character we discuss is Frank Churchill, and then Michael talks about the changing lifestyle of Regency gentleman. In the popular culture section, Harriet talks about three books that are modernised versions of Emma.

Things we mention:

Character discussion:

•  Serene, The Piano Scene: through Jane’s eyes (11 December 2023) – and some other posts about Emma

Popular culture discussion:

• Alexander McCall Smith, Emma: A modern retelling (2014)
• Sonali Dev, The Emma Project(2022)
• Audrey Bellezza and Emily Harding, Emma of 83rd Street(2023)
  • Mäda Primavesi by Gustav Klimt

Creative commons music used:

• Extract from Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart, Sonata No. 12 in F Major, ii. Adagio.
• Extract from Joseph Haydn, Piano Sonata No. 38. Performance by Ivan Ilić, recorded in Manchester in December, 2006. File originally from IMSLP.
• Extract from Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart, Sonata No. 13 in B-Flat Major, iii. Allegretto Grazioso. File originally from Musopen.
• Extract from George Frideric Handel, Suite I, No. 2 in F Major, ii. Allegro. File originally from Musopen.
• Extract from Ludwig van Beethoven, Piano Sonata No. 28 in A major. File originally from Musopen.

In this episode, we read chapters 42 to 45 of Emma. We talk about the dropping of clues about Jane and Frank, Donwell Abbey and Mr Knightley’s arrangements for the strawberry picking, how nobody is enjoying themselves at Box Hill, and the pressures on Jane.

The character we discuss is Emma, and in the historical section Ellen talks about watering places. In the popular culture section, Harriet reflects back on the screen adaptations of Emma, considering her favourite moments from each version, and then how they dealt with some of the major characters.

Things we mention:

General and character discussion:

• Richard Cronin and Dorothy McMillan [Editors], The Cambridge Edition of the Works of Jane Austen: Emma (2005)
• Pod and Prejudice podcast
• John Sutherland, Is Heathcliff a murderer?: Puzzles in 19th-century fiction (1996) and Who Betrays Elizabeth Bennet?: Further Puzzles in Classic Fiction (1999)
• ‘The Thing About the Irish Car Party‘, The Thing About Austen podcast, Episode 70 
• Sheila Kaye-Smith and G.B. Stern, Talking of Jane Austen (1943) and More Talk of Jane Austen (1950)

Historical discussion:

• Dorothy L. Sayers, Have His Carcase (1932)
• Beau Nash (1674-1762), well-known dandy and Master of Ceremonies at Bath
• ‘The Thing About Weymouth‘, The Thing About Austen podcast, Episode 45
• Arthur Ransome, Swallows and Amazons (1930)

Popular culture discussion:

• Adaptations:
  • BBC, Emma (1972) – starring Doran Godwin and John Carson
  • Miramax, Emma (1996) – starring Gwyneth Paltrow and Jeremy Northam
  • ITV, Emma (1996) – starring Kate Beckinsale and Mark Strong
  • BBC, Emma (2009) – starring Romola Garai and Jonny Lee Miller
  • Working Title Films, Emma (2020) – starring Anya Taylor-Joy and Johnny Flynn
• Modernisations:
  • Paramount Pictures, Clueless (1995) – starring Alicia Silverstone and Paul Rudd
  • YouTube, Pemberley Digital, Emma Approved (2013) – starring Joanna Sotomura and Brent Bailey

  For a list of music used, see this episode on our website.     

In this episode, we read chapters 37 to 41 of Emma. We talk about the parallel narratives, the ball at the Crown, Emma’s awareness of Mr Knightley, the section from Mr Knightley’s point of view and the tension between Jane and Frank.

The character we discuss is Mr Knightley, and in the historical section Ellen talks about poverty and the labouring classes. In the popular culture section, Harriet talks about the 2017 YouTube series The Emma Agenda.

Things we mention:

General and character discussion:

• Pod and Prejudice podcast
• Tea with Cassiane YouTube videos about Regency dancing
• Somerset Maugham

Historical discussion:

• The Speenhamland system
• Anthony Trollope, The Warden (1855)
• Robert Raikes
• Hannah More

Popular culture discussion:

• Main version considered:
  • YouTube, Quip Modest Productions, The Emma Agenda (2017) – starring Selis Maria Vargas and Angela Wong Carbone
• Other references
  • YouTube, Pemberley Digital, Emma Approved (2013) – starring Joanna Sotomura and Brent Bailey
  • ITV, Emma (1996) – starring Kate Beckinsale and Mark Strong
  • Working Title Films, Emma (2020) – starring Anya Taylor-Joy and Johnny Flynn

Creative commons music used:

• Extract from Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart, Sonata No. 12 in F Major, ii. Adagio.
• Extract from Joseph Haydn, Piano Sonata No. 38. Performance by Ivan Ilić, recorded in Manchester in December, 2006. File originally from IMSLP.
• Extract from Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart, Sonata No. 13 in B-Flat Major, iii. Allegretto Grazioso. File originally from Musopen.
• Extract from George Frideric Handel, Suite I, No. 2 in F Major, ii. Allegro. File originally from Musopen.
• Extract from Ludwig van Beethoven, Piano Sonata No. 28 in A major. File originally from Musopen.

In this episode, we read chapters 32 to 36 of Emma. We talk about the civil society of Highbury, why Jane puts up with Mrs Elton, and Emma’s dinner party.

The character we discuss is Mrs Elton, and Ellen talks about governesses. In the popular culture section, Harriet talks about the 2013 YouTube series Emma Approved .

Things we mention:

Character discussion:

• Diana Birchall, In Defense of Mrs Elton (1999)
•  John Mullan [Editor], The Oxford World’s Classics Edition of the Works of Jane Austen: Emma (2022) 
• Mary Deforest, ‘Mrs. Elton and the Slave Trade‘ Persuasions 9, 1987
• Lona Manning, ‘What is Austen saying with Mrs. Elton?‘, 9 February 2023
• John Sutherland, Can Jane Eyre be happy? (2000)
• Thomas Gray, ‘Elegy Written in a Country Churchyard‘ (1751)

Historical discussion:

• Elizabeth Eastlake, ‘Vanity Fair and Jane Eyre‘, Quarterly Review 84, 1848
• Anna Jameson, The Diary of an Ennuyée (1826)
• William Makepeace Thackeray, Vanity Fair (1847)
• Maria Edgeworth, The Good French Governess (1801)
• Ellen Jordan, The Women’s Movement and Women’s Employment in Nineteenth Century Britain (1999)
• Graph showing percentages of governesses, female milliners and domestic servants in various age groups as shown in the census of 1851.

Popular culture discussion:

• Main version considered:
  • YouTube, Pemberley Digital, Emma Approved (2013) – starring Joanna Sotomura and Brent Bailey
• Other references
  • YouTube, Pemberley Digital, Lizzie Bennet Diaries (2012) – starring Ashley Clements and Daniel Vincent Gordh
  • Paramount Pictures, Clueless (1995) – starring Alicia Silverstone and Paul Rudd

 For a list of music used, see this episode on our website.