Alicia Kennedy's No Meat Required: The Cultural History and Culinary Future of Plant-Based Eating, delves into the subcultures and politics that have defined vegan and vegetarian cuisine in the United States—from tempeh production to vegan punk cafes. In this episode, Alicia talks to Anna Lappé about the feminist origins of her own veganism, how she eats in Puerto Rico, and how the cultural signifiers of meat and plant-based eating have shifted over time.

SHOW NOTES:

3:18 | Alicia’s love of okra

​​4:28 | What Alicia hopes people will take away from her book about veganism and vegetarian politics

6:00 | Meat eating in the US culture wars

7:06 | The abundance of meat tied to United States as US as an “exceptional nation”; political tolerance for injustices like child labor in the meat industry; meat eating linked to ideas like masculine virility

8:40 | Link between vegetarianism and the feminist movement

10:10 | Lagusta’s Luscious’ vegan “Furious Vulva” chocolate

11:55 | Alicia on corporate fake meat alternatives, and coming back to the original veggie burger

14:59 | The PR dollars behind pushing fake meat as a “solution”

15:57 | The dangerous focus on, and obsession with, protein

18:07 | The misconception of that veganism is mostly white and middle class; the radical, BIPOC lineages of veganism and the contributions of Bryant Terry and others.

22:32 | Re-politicizing veganism and vegetarianism

23:17 | Making the food and climate connection; what difference do individual food choices make?

24:42 | Parallels between consuming food and clothes; “fast fashion”

27:00 | Individual choices as “tiny bricks thrown against the window of tyranny”

27:24 | How much the meat industry pours into public relations

29:50 | Anna and Alicia talk about Aubrey Plaza’s “wood milking” bit for the Dairy Council

DIG DEEPER:

Preorder the book (out 8/15/23), http://www.beacon.org/No-Meat-Required-P1938.aspx

From the Desk of Alicia Kennedy on Substack, https://www.aliciakennedy.news/

“How the US Dictates what Puerto Rico Eats” by Israel Meléndez Ayala and Alicia Kennedy, The New York Times (from 2021), https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/01/opinion/puerto-rico-jones-act.html

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EPISODE CREDITS:

Host: Anna Lappé

Co-producers: Tanya Kerssen and Tiffani Patton

Editor: Claire Reynolds

Can you believe five years have gone by since the last Farm Bill? It feels like a lifetime ago — SO much has changed politically. Bone up on your Farm Bill history and get ready to organize for a transformative Food & Farm Bill in 2023. This 2019 Real Food Reads interview with Dan Imhoff, farm policy expert and author of “The Farm Bill: A Citizen’s Guide,” is a great place to start.

Follow Real Food Media wherever you get your podcasts.

DIG DEEPER:

Get the book - The Farm Bill: A Citizen’s Guide, https://islandpress.org/books/farm-bill

HEAL Food Alliance’s Farm Bill 101, https://healfoodalliance.org/

“This Farm Bill Really Matters. We Explain Why.” by Lisa Held, Civil Eats, March 20, 2023 https://civileats.com/2023/03/20/farm-bill-explainer-2023-bill-snap-nutrition-climate-smart-farming-commodities-insurance-congress/

“HEAL Food Alliance Shows Up Big in DC for a Transformative Farm Bill” by Eloni Porcher, March 24, 2023 https://healfoodalliance.org/heal-food-alliance-shows-up-big-dc-for-a-transformative-farm-bill/

Insects are the often-times invisible workforce that take on planetary care. According to Dave Goulson, author of Silent Earth: Averting the Insect Apocalypse, “they pollinate, break down waste and provide food for us and countless other species. If they vanished tomorrow, the apocalypse would begin the next day.” Today, insect populations are in rapid decline, with estimates of population loss ranging from 40-75% across regions. The main drivers? Habitat loss and widespread use of dangerous chemicals—both of which are linked with industrial agriculture. In this special Real Food Reads episode commemorating the 60th anniversary of Rachel Carson’s Silent Spring, Anna Lappé speaks with Dave Goulson about agrichemicals, biodiversity, and how we, together, can avert the insect apocalypse.

SHOW NOTES

3:52 The importance of insects and the ecosystem services they provide

6:00 An example of insects at work in Australia

9:20 Unknown number of insect species, but we do know that insect populations are on the decline

11:10 Industrialized agriculture is one of the main drivers of the astounding insect decline we have today

13:05 How synthetic fertilizers impact the insect population

17:42 Neonicotinoids (or neonics), the parallel to DDT, and their dangerous lethal and sublethal impacts on insecticides.

24:01 If these chemicals are so dangerous, why hasn’t more action been taken?

Where is the world still noisy?

29:15 Where in the world is it still “noisy” and busy with insect biodiversity?

32:30 What we can each do in our own ways to “avert the insect apocalypse”

When we speak of biodiversity loss, the climate crisis, and food injustice, we have to go to the root: colonialism. From the perspective and "voice" of the nutmeg, The Nutmeg’s Curse: Parables for a Planet in Crisis by acclaimed author Amitav Ghosh does just that. Ghosh was born in Calcutta and grew up in India, Bangladesh, and Sri Lanka and is now based in Brooklyn. He’s the author of numerous works of fiction and nonfiction including The Great Derangement: Climate Change and the Unthinkable. His most recent book, The Nutmeg’s Curse, opens with the Dutch Empire’s brutal war in the Banda Islands—a small archipelago that’s part of what is now Indonesia—to establish a monopoly on the nutmeg trade. From there, he takes us halfway around the world and back again, weaving together stories of colonial violence, human resilience, and non-human agency.

SHOW NOTES:

2:32 | Why European navigators sailed off in search of spices in the 17th century

4:00 | Dutch colonialism and the 1621 Banda Massacre

9:46 | Nutmeg production as the earliest instance of industrial agriculture and racial capitalism (and why it matters)

11:19 | Racialized workforces in agriculture around the world

14:20 | The pleasures of gardening, including growing your own spices

15:15 | How spices came to be devalued (and associated with “onanism”!)

17:40 | On the mysteries of the vanilla plant

20:40 | Environmentalism’s dark history (and present) of ethnic cleansing

22:20 | The role of militarism in transforming food systems and contributing to the climate crisis

23:30 | The Pentagon and other military institutions as the largest greenhouse gas emitters in the world, and yet they are excluded from climate negotiations

25:42 | Amitav’s call for a “vitalist politics”

DIG DEEPER:

Follow Amitav Ghosh on Twitter: @GhoshAmitav

Visit his blog: http://amitavghosh.com/blog/

Buy the book: https://press.uchicago.edu/ucp/books/book/chicago/N/bo125517349.html

​​For more on this episode, expanded show notes, and full transcript, visit: https://realfoodmedia.org/portfolio/the-nutmegs-curse/

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Indigenous people make up 5 percent of the global population and steward 80 percent of the world's biodiversity, yet they aren’t centered in most discussions or actions for environmental justice. An Indigenous woman and scientist, Dr. Jessica Hernandez talks about the importance of Indigenous science (and scientists) in her new book Fresh Banana Leaves: Healing Indigenous Landscapes through Indigenous Science. In this conversation, Jessica talks about the importance of Indigenous-led stewardship projects, Black-Indigenous solidarity, and shares the moving story of how she came to the book’s title.

SHOW NOTES:

1:51 | The difference between an interdisciplinary scientist and an Indigenous scientist

3:50 | What is Indigenous science?

5:50 | Indigenous people support 80% of the world’s biodiversity

10:15 | Conservation as a Western construct and the trouble with the original concept of National Parks

12:44 | The importance of #LandBack and Indigenous-led stewardship projects

17:49 | The impact of banana plantations in Central America

22:30 | The title of the book and the personal impact of war in El Salvador

DIG DEEPER:

To learn more about Dr. Jessica Hernandez, visit her site https://www.jessicabhernandez.com/

Follow Jessica on Twitter: https://twitter.com/doctora_nature

Buy the book: https://bookshop.org/books/fresh-banana-leaves-healing-indigenous-landscapes-through-indigenous-science

​​For more on this episode, expanded show notes, and full transcript, visit: https://realfoodmedia.org/portfolio/fresh-banana-leaves/

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There is a broad consensus around the “endangerment” of crop diversity—among scientists, advocates, policymakers, and corporations, actors who tend to disagree on a number of other issues. But Helen Anne Curry says: not so fast. Where does this endangerment narrative come from? Whose interests does it serve? And what assumptions does it make? Conventional approaches to crop conservation largely center on conserving seeds off-farm in gene banks, as opposed to protecting the livelihoods, communities, and farming systems of the peasants and Indigenous peoples who developed and steward those seeds. In this conversation, Curry delves into the history and science of seed conservation—and its implications for the future of food.

SHOW NOTES:

2:23 | What is the “endangerment narrative”?

6:11 | Origins of endangerment in the early history of plant breeding and industrial agriculture

14:35 | Endangerment as an outgrowth of settler colonialist & racist assumptions

19:01 | Defining ex situ (off site) vs. in situ (on site) seed conservation

24:08 | Does diversity change and evolve over time? Is crop diversity inevitably declining or can we think about crop diversity increasing?

28:00 | Crisis thinking or crisis narratives

34:03 | The story of glass gem corn

37:15 | Difference between conventional and food sovereignty approaches to seed conservation

DIG DEEPER:

To learn more about Helen Anne Curry, visit http://www.helenannecurry.com/

Follow Helen on Twitter: https://twitter.com/hacurry

Buy the book: https://www.ucpress.edu/book/9780520307698/endangered-maize

​​For more on this episode, expanded show notes, and full transcript, visit: https://realfoodmedia.org/portfolio/endangered-maize-industrial-agriculture-and-the-crisis-of-extinction/

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Colonialism is at the root of the problems we see in our food system, and, as the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change recently stated, it is also at the root of the climate crisis. By cultivating diversity within the soil and amongst farmers, we can work towards a liberated future. “Healing Grounds: Climate, Justice, and the Deep Roots of Regenerative Farming” by Liz Carlisle shares the stories of Black, Indigenous, Latino, and Asian-American farmers around the United States who are using their ancestral agricultural traditions to heal the soil, build climate resilience, connect with their culture, and create pathways for racial justice. Tiffani’s conversation with author Liz Carlisle and scientist Aidee Guzman highlights what is possible when we focus on diversity above and below ground.

SHOW NOTES:

02:25 | The four per mille study and why regenerative agriculture has sparked hope in recent years.

04:35 | What’s possible when you take “regeneration” and regenerative agriculture to heart

06:25 | Aidee Guzman’s research on soil health and habits of bees on diverse farms vs monoculture farms in California’s Central Valley

07:56 | The 450 million year old fungi that helped bring plants to the land.

10:05 | How to support a diversity of farmers and farming techniques

13:53 | History of agroecology in Mexico and how it intersected with the Green Revolution

19:33 | There’s no such thing as a weed

21:35 | For Aidee, there are two distinct worlds of agriculture

25:12 | Reciprocal farm labor practices abroad and in the US

29:40 | How the agricultural industry in the US was designed and why it is extractive today

32:45 | The one thing Liz Carlisle and Aidee Guzman want you to know about climate, justice, and the deep roots of regenerative farming.

DIG IN:

To learn more about Aidee Guzman, visit https://www.aideeguzman.com/

To learn more about Liz Carlisle, visit https://www.lizcarlisle.com/

​​For more on this episode, including the transcript, visit: https://realfoodmedia.org/portfolio/healing-grounds/

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Taste Makers: Seven Immigrant Women Who Revolutionized Food in America by James Beard award-winning author Mayukh Sen gives us an intimate look into the lives of seven women who’ve changed the way we think about food in the US, while sharing some unique insights into how food media shapes our appetites.

Frances Moore Lappé's groundbreaking book in 1971 exposed the true cause of hunger while also changing the way many people eat, for the better. 50 years later, she released a new edition with an updated introduction that speaks to her ethos, what has changed in the last 50 years, and what's next.

The Covid pandemic, mass uprisings against injustice around the world, raging forest fires... Our bodies, societies, and planet are inflamed, argue Raj Patel and Dr. Rupa Marya. Their epic and timely new book "Inflamed: Deep Medicine and the Anatomy of Injustice" will forever change the way you think—not only about food—but about the ruptures in the web of life that have wrought so much damage on our health and relationships.

Rupa is a physician and professor of medicine dedicated to healing the wounds of colonialism through food medicine, story, and learning; and Raj is the best-selling author "Stuffed and Starved," "The Value of Nothing," and co-author of "A History of the World in Seven Cheap Things."

For more on this episode, visit: https://realfoodmedia.org/portfolio/inflamed/

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