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Hear Part 2 as Fred Williams and co-host Doug McBurney discuss the highly improbable claims of neo-Darwinian evolutionary theory with Dr. Robert Stadler.

* Robert Stadler, PhD: is the author of Evolution: What They Didn’t Teach You in Biology. He got his PhD in medical engineering from the Harvard/MIT Division of Health Sciences and Technology. He’s a scientist in the medical device industry, where he’s made things that actually work for over 2 decades, he’s contributed to cardiac devices implanted in millions of people, all over the world! He has been elected fellow of the American Institute of Medical and Biomedical Engineers, his 20+ articles and papers appear in a host of peer-reviewed journals, and he’s approaching 200 US patents.

Join Fred Williams and co-host Doug McBurney for another lively interview with another Christian creationist who is a practicing scientist (and also happens to have a PhD).

* Robert Stadler, PhD: is the author of Evolution: What They Didn’t Teach You in Biology. He got his PhD in medical engineering from the Harvard/MIT Division of Health Sciences and Technology. He’s a scientist in the medical device industry, where he’s made things that actually work for over 2 decades, he’s contributed to cardiac devices implanted in millions of people, all over the world! He has been elected fellow of the American Institute of Medical and Biomedical Engineers, his 20+ articles and papers appear in a host of peer-reviewed journals, and he’s approaching 200 US patents.

* The Forest for the Tree: Listen in (or watch) Dr. Stadler entertaining, informative and devastating presentation on evolution versus reality.

* Still Inside the Matrix: Charlie's debate is reminiscent of the Bob Enyart Classic presentation at an early 2000s college, (back when opposing viewpoints were tolerated on liberal college campuses): Get Out of the Matrix.

* Pain is not Physical: Check out RSR.org/pain and discover that nociception is not physical.

* Time for Change: Dr. Change Tan received her Ph.D. in Biochemistry from the University of Pennsylvania and an M.S. in Organic Chemistry from Nankai University in Tianjin, China, and she also studied as a postdoctoral fellow for the Department of Genetics at Harvard Medical School. Tan served as associate professor in the Division of Biological Studies at the University of Missouri before working as a founder and investigator at the Forest of Life Research and Education Center.

Dr. Tan’s interests include origin of life and biodiversity, the relationship of organisms, molecular biotechnology method development, reproduction and signal transduction. Tan has written nearly 30 refereed journal articles, including several for the “Answers Research Journal,” and is the co-author, along with Rob Stadler of an eye opening book “The Stairway to Life: An Origin-of-Life Reality Check”, in which the authors specify requirements for the spontaneous formation of life and evaluate the prospects for natural processes to satisfy these requirements.

* Prokaryotes Can't Change: at least not into Eukaryotes! No matter how the evolutionists try to spin it!

* Time for Change: Dr. Change Tan received her Ph.D. in Biochemistry from the University of Pennsylvania and an M.S. in Organic Chemistry from Nankai University in Tianjin, China, and she also studied as a postdoctoral fellow for the Department of Genetics at Harvard Medical School. Tan served as associate professor in the Division of Biological Studies at the University of Missouri before working as a founder and investigator at the Forest of Life Research and Education Center.

Genesis-Creation: A rock cannot make itself and a fire cannot burn forever. Matter cannot come from non-matter and a perpetual motion machine cannot exist. Therefore, the universe could not have made itself from nothing, nor could it have always been moving, churning, working, and burning. Another way to state these first two laws of thermodynamics is that the physical universe must have had a supernatural Creator sometime in the recent past. This study presents the scientifically compelling Genesis story. Of all men, Christians more than any are able to weave the latest findings into our understanding of the fabric of the universe. Since God created the physical universe, good science reveals God. And while some say that you cannot prove the existence of God, the Bible tells us that the clear evidence of His personal, powerful, and eternal existence is manifest through the creation! Enjoy these studies! 

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This week your host Fred Williams and co-host Doug McBurney discuss the origin of water on earth, mammoth discoveries and the slow, painful education of Joe Rogan.

* Sportscaster Impressed with Isaiah: Here how America's poster boy for the terminally adolescent, Joe Rogan is expressing doubts about the big bang, (and how he's impressed with the preservation of the Book of Isaiah)! We wanted to link to it, but he's just too vulgar.

* Oxford Working for Walt Brown: A new study from Oxford University suggests that Earth's water didn't come from asteroid impacts as secular theorists previously tried to pretend. Instead, just as Genesis and Walt Brown's book "In the Beginning" have always contended: the building blocks of our planet were already here in the beginning.

Phys.org Keeps on Pretending: phys.org, (now officially known on RSR as FIZZ.org because the sounds of escaping gasses are now continuously greater than the sounds of scientific observations) is pretending to know when a baby mammoth died. While admitting that the species died out about 4,000 years ago, they insist the mammoth being dissected must have died "more than 130,000 years ago". And they include the obligatory homage to the climate change myth as well.

The Roman method was brutal and efficient.

The Journal of the American Medical Association published a medical study affirming death by crucifixion.

Eyewitness accounts, including Roman historians like Tacitus, confirm it.

Jesus wasn’t resuscitated. He was dead. The resurrection wasn’t a near-death experience — it was a reversal of death.

Jewish leaders never produced the body. Instead, they said, “His disciples stole the body” — confirming the tomb was empty.

Even critics like atheist historian Bart Ehrman admit the tomb was likely empty — the question is why.

After Jesus’ death, they were in hiding.

Then they claimed to have seen, touched, and eaten with the risen Jesus.

Many of them were martyred — not for what they believed, but for what they claimed to have seen.

People don’t generally die for a lie they made up, especially when they get nothing in return but beatings and exile.

No political power. No money. No military. Just the message: He is risen.

Within weeks, thousands of Jews — fiercely monotheistic — believed Jesus was Lord and worshipped Him as God.

That doesn’t happen unless something earth-shaking occurred.

James, Jesus’ own skeptical brother, didn’t believe in Him during His ministry. After the resurrection, James becomes a leader of the Jerusalem church and is martyred.

Paul was a violent persecutor of Christians. He had every reason to stop this movement — until he says he saw the risen Jesus himself.

Enemies don’t convert unless they believe something really happened.

If the story were fabricated, the writers would’ve said Peter or John found the tomb.

The only reason to include women is because that’s how it happened.

This is what scholars call the criterion of embarrassment — details that are awkward but truthful.

This shows belief in the resurrection wasn’t a legend that developed decades later — it was immediate.

He names witnesses: “He appeared to Peter… the twelve… over 500 at once… James… and last of all to me.”

Paul is essentially saying: Go ask them yourself.

James: Certainly Beheaded in Jerusalem.

Paul: Likely Beheaded in Rome.

Peter: Likely crucified (allegedly upside down)

Thomas: Allegedly Speared in India.

Tens of thousands of Christian martyrdoms witnessed privately by millions of average people over the past 2,0000 years, (God knows and will bring the record on Judgment Day)

They didn’t die for abstract beliefs — they died for claiming they saw or believed in the risen Jesus. Liars make poor martyrs.

He lost status, privilege, safety.

He was beaten, imprisoned, and eventually executed.

And he writes about meeting the risen Christ with personal conviction and detail.

What changes a man like that? Something real. Something undeniable.

The Swoon theory? Jesus didn’t just faint — He was executed and His heart pierced.

The Hallucination theory? Hallucinations are individual — not shared by 500 people.

The Stolen body? The disciples would’ve had no motive and no success against the Roman guards, (who witnessed the theft while asleep)?

The Legend theory? Legends take generations. Christ's Resurrection was being preached and believed among hundreds in just days and weeks.

The resurrection isn’t just plausible — it’s the only rational explanation regarding the earthly life, death ministry and legacy of Jesus Christ. The Bible teaches us that the bodily resurrection of Jesus Christ was essential for the salvation of the world and the reconciliation of all things in Heaven and Earth back to God. So any other theory is to be dismissed.

Listen in as Real Science Radio host Fred Williams and co-host Doug McBurney review and update some of Bob Enyart's legendary list of not so old things! From Darwin's Finches to opals forming in months to man's genetic diversity in 200 generations, to carbon 14 everywhere it's not supposed to be (including in diamonds and dinosaur bones!), scientific observations simply defy the claim that the earth is billions of years old. Real science demands the dismissal of the alleged million and billion year ages asserted by the ungodly and the foolish.

* Finches Adapt in 17 Years, Not 2.3 Million: Charles Darwin's finches are claimed to have taken 2,300,000 years to diversify from an initial species blown onto the Galapagos Islands. Yet individuals from a single finch species on a U.S. Bird Reservation in the Pacific were introduced to a group of small islands 300 miles away and in at most 17 years, like Darwin's finches, they had diversified their beaks, related muscles, and behavior to fill various ecological niches. Hear about this also at rsr.org/spetner. 

* Finches Speciate in Two Generations vs Two Million Years for Darwin's Birds?  Darwin's finches on the Galapagos Islands are said to have diversified into 14 species over a period of two million years. But in 2017 the journal Science reported a newcomer to the Island which within two generations spawned a reproductively isolated new species. In another instance as documented by Lee Spetner, a hundred birds of the same finch species introduced to an island cluster a 1,000 kilometers from Galapagos diversified into species with the typical variations in beak sizes, etc. "If this diversification occurred in less than seventeen years," Dr. Spetner asks, "why did Darwin’s Galapagos finches [as claimed by evolutionists] have to take two million years?"

* Opals Can Form in "A Few Months" And Don't Need 100,000 Years: A leading authority on opals, Allan W. Eckert, observed that, "scientific papers and textbooks have told that the process of opal formation requires tens of thousands of years, perhaps hundreds of thousands... Not true." A 2011 peer-reviewed paper in a geology journal from Australia, where almost all the world's opal is found, reported on the: "new timetable for opal formation involving weeks to a few months and not the hundreds of thousands of years envisaged by the conventional weathering model." (And apparently, per a 2019 report from Entomology Today, opals can even form around insects!) More knowledgeable scientists resist the uncritical, group-think insistence on false super-slow formation rates (as also for manganese nodules, gold veins, stone, petroleum, canyons and gullies, and even guts, all below). Regarding opals, Darwinian bias led geologists to long ignore possible quick action, as from microbes, as a possible explanation for these mineraloids. For both in nature and in the lab, opals form rapidly, not even in 10,000 years, but in weeks. See this also from creationists by a geologist, a paleobiochemist, and a nuclear chemist.

* Blue Eyes Originated Not So Long Ago: Not a million years ago, nor a hundred thousand years ago, but based on a peer-reviewed paper in Human Genetics, a press release at Science Daily reports that, "research shows that people with blue eyes have a single, common ancestor. A team at the University of Copenhagen have tracked down a genetic mutation which took place 6-10,000 years ago and is the cause of the eye color of all blue-eyed humans alive on the planet today."

* Adding the Entire Universe to our List of Not So Old Things? Based on March 2019 findings from Hubble, Nobel laureate Adam Riess of the Space Telescope Science Institute and his co-authors in the Astrophysical Journal estimate that the universe is about a billion years younger than previously thought! Then in September 2019 in the journal Science, the age dropped precipitously to as low as 11.4 billion years! Of course, these measurements also further squeeze the canonical story of the big bang chronology with its many already existing problems including the insufficient time to "evolve" distant mature galaxies, galaxy clusters, superclusters, enormous black holes, filaments, bubbles, walls, and other superstructures. So, even though the latest estimates are still absurdly too old (Google: big bang predictions, and click on the #1 ranked article, or just go on over there to rsr.org/bb), regardless, we thought we'd plop the whole universe down on our List of Not So Old Things!  

* After the Soft Tissue Discoveries, NOW Dino DNA: When a North Carolina State University paleontologist took the Tyrannosaurus Rex photos to the right of original biological material, that led to the 2016 discovery of dinosaur DNA, So far researchers have also recovered dinosaur blood vessels, collagen, osteocytes, hemoglobin, red blood cells, and various proteins.

As of May 2018, twenty-six scientific journals, including Nature, Science, PNAS, PLoS One, Bone, and Journal of Vertebrate Paleontology, have confirmed the discovery of biomaterial fossils from many dinosaurs! Organisms including T. Rex, hadrosaur, titanosaur, triceratops, Lufengosaur, mosasaur, and Archaeopteryx, and many others dated, allegedly, even hundreds of millions of years old, have yielded their endogenous, still-soft biological material. See the web's most complete listing of 100+ journal papers (screenshot, left) announcing these discoveries at bflist.rsr.org and see it in layman's terms at rsr.org/soft.

* Rapid Stalactites, Stalagmites, Etc.: A construction worker in 1954 left a lemonade bottle in one of Australia's famous Jenolan Caves. By 2011 it had been naturally transformed into a stalagmite (below, right). Increasing scientific knowledge is arguing for rapid cave formation (see below, Nat'l Park Service shrinks Carlsbad Caverns formation estimates from 260M years, to 10M, to 2M, to it "depends"). Likewise, examples are growing of rapid formations with typical chemical make-up (see bottle, left) of classic stalactites and stalagmites including:

* Most Human Mutations Arose in 200 Generations: From Adam until Real Science Radio, in only 200 generations! The journal Nature reports The Recent Origin of Most Human Protein-coding Variants. As summarized by geneticist co-author Joshua Akey, "Most of the mutations that we found arose in the last 200 generations or so" (the same number previously published by biblical creationists). Another 2012 paper, in the American Journal of Physical Anthropology (Eugenie Scott's own field) on High mitochondrial mutation rates, shows that one mitochondrial DNA mutation occurs every other generation, which, as creationists point out, indicates that mtEve would have lived about 200 generations ago. That's not so old!

* National Geographic's Not-So-Old Hard-Rock Canyon at Mount St. Helens: As our List of Not So Old Things (this web page) reveals, by a kneejerk reaction evolutionary scientists assign ages of tens or hundreds of thousands of years (or at least just long enough to contradict Moses' chronology in Genesis.) However, with closer study, routinely, more and more old ages get revised downward to fit the world's growing scientific knowledge. So the trend is not that more information lengthens ages, but rather, as data replaces guesswork, ages tend to shrink until they are consistent with the young-earth biblical timeframe. Consistent with this observation, the May 2000 issue of National Geographic quotes the U.S. Forest Service's scientist at Mount St. Helens, Peter Frenzen, describing the canyon on the north side of the volcano. "You'd expect a hard-rock canyon to be thousands, even hundreds of thousands of years old. But this was cut in less than a decade." And as for the volcano itself, while again, the kneejerk reaction of old-earthers would be to claim that most geologic features are hundreds of thousands or millions of years old, the atheistic National Geographic magazine acknowledges from the evidence that Mount St. Helens, the volcanic mount, is only about 4,000 years old! See below and more at rsr.org/mount-st-helens.

* Mount St. Helens Dome Ten Years Old not 1.7 Million: Geochron Laboratories of Cambridge, Mass., using potassium-argon and other radiometric techniques claims the rock sample they dated, from the volcano's dome, solidified somewhere between 340,000 and 2.8 million years ago. However photographic evidence and historical reports document the dome's formation during the 1980s, just ten years prior to the samples being collected. With the age of this rock known, radiometric dating therefore gets the age 99.99999% wrong.

* Devils Hole Pupfish Isolated Not for 13,000 Years But for 100: Secular scientists default to knee-jerk, older-than-Bible-age dates. However, a tiny Mojave desert fish is having none of it. Rather than having been genetically isolated from other fish for 13,000 years (which would make this small school of fish older than the Earth itself), according to a paper in the journal Nature, actual measurements of mutation rates indicate that the genetic diversity of these Pupfish could have been generated in about 100 years, give or take a few.

* Polystrates like Spines and Rare Schools of Fossilized Jellyfish: Previously, seven sedimentary layers in Wisconsin had been described as taking a million years to form. And because jellyfish have no skeleton, as Charles Darwin pointed out, it is rare to find them among fossils. But now, reported in the journal Geology, a school of jellyfish fossils have been found throughout those same seven layers. So, polystrate fossils that condense the time of strata deposition from eons to hours or months, include:

* Polystrate Trees: Examples abound around the world of polystrate trees: 

* Yellowstone Petrified Trees Sign Removed: The National Park Service removed their incorrect sign (see left and more). The NPS had claimed that in dozens of different strata over a 40-square mile area, many petrified trees were still standing where they had grown. The NPS eventually removed the sign partly because those petrified trees had no root systems, which they would have had if they had grown there. Instead, the trees of this "fossil forest" have roots that are abruptly broken off two or three feet from their trunks. If these mature trees actually had been remnants of sequential forests that had grown up in strata layer on top of strata layer, 27 times on Specimen Ridge (and 50 times at Specimen Creek), such a natural history implies passage of more time than permitted by biblical chronology. So, don't trust the National Park Service on historical science because they're wrong on the age of the Earth.

* Wood Petrifies Quickly: Not surprisingly, by the common evolutionary knee-jerk claim of deep time, "several researchers believe that several millions of years are necessary for the complete formation of silicified wood". Our List of Not So Old and Not So Slow Things includes the work of five Japanese scientists who proved creationist research and published their results in the peer-reviewed journal Sedimentary Geology showing that wood can and does petrify rapidly. Modern wood significantly petrified in 36 years these researchers concluded that wood buried in strata could have been petrified in "a fairly short period of time, in the order of several tens to hundreds of years."

* The Scablands: The primary surface features of the Scablands, which cover thousands of square miles of eastern Washington, were long believed to have formed gradually. Yet, against the determined claims of uniformitarian geologists, there is now overwhelming evidence as presented even in a NOVA TV program that the primary features of the Scablands formed rapidly from a catastrophic breach of Lake Missoula causing a massive regional flood. Of course evolutionary geologists still argue that the landscape was formed over tens of thousands of years, now by claiming there must have been a hundred Missoula floods. However, the evidence that there was Only One Lake Missoula Flood has been powerfully reinforced by a University of Colorado Ph.D. thesis. So the Scablands itself is no longer available to old-earthers as de facto evidence for the passage of millions of years.

* The Heart Mountain Detachment: in Wyoming just east of Yellowstone, this mountain did not break apart slowly by uniformitarian processes but in only about half-an-hour as widely reported including in the evolutionist LiveScience.com, "Land Speed Record: Mountain Moves 62 Miles in 30 Minutes." The evidence indicates that this mountain of rock covering 425 square miles rapidly broke into 50 pieces and slid apart over an area of more than 1,300 square miles in a biblical, not a "geological," timeframe. 

* "150 Million" year-old Squid Ink Not Decomposed: This still-writable ink had dehydrated but had not decomposed! The British Geological Survey's Dr. Phil Wilby, who excavated the fossil, said, "It is difficult to imagine how you can have something as soft and sloppy as an ink sac fossilized in three dimensions, still black, and inside a rock that is 150 million years old." And the Daily Mail states that, "the black ink was of exactly the same structure as that of today’s version", just desiccated. And Wilby added, "Normally you would find only the hard parts like the shell and bones fossilized but... these creatures... can be dissected as if they are living animals, you can see the muscle fibers and cells. It is difficult to imagine... The structure is similar to ink from a modern squid so we can write with it..." Why is this difficult for evolutionists to imagine? Because as Dr. Carl Wieland writes, "Chemical structures 'fall apart' all by themselves over time due to the randomizing effects of molecular motion."

* Asiatic vs. European Honeybees: These two populations of bees have been separated supposedly for seven million years. A researcher decided to put the two together to see what would happen. What we should have here is a failure to communicate that would have resulted after their "language" evolved over millions of years. However, European and Asiatic honeybees are still able to communicate, putting into doubt the evolutionary claim that they were separated over "geologic periods." For more, see the Public Library of Science, Asiatic Honeybees Can Understand Dance Language of European Honeybees. (Oh yeah, and why don't fossils of poorly-formed honeycombs exist, from the millions of years before the bees and natural selection finally got the design right? Ha! Because they don't exist! :)

Nautiloid proves rapid limestone formation.

* Remember the Nautiloids: In the Grand Canyon there is a limestone layer averaging seven feet thick that runs the 277 miles of the canyon (and beyond) that covers hundreds of square miles and contains an average of one nautiloid fossil per square meter. Along with many other dead creatures in this one particular layer, 15% of these nautiloids were killed and then fossilized standing on their heads. Yes, vertically. They were caught in such an intense and rapid catastrophic flow that gravity was not able to cause all of their dead carcasses to fall over on their sides. Famed Mount St. Helens geologist Steve Austin is also the world's leading expert on nautiloid fossils and has worked in the canyon and presented his findings to the park's rangers at the invitation of National Park Service officials. Austin points out, as is true of many of the world's mass fossil graveyards, that this enormous nautiloid deposition provides indisputable proof of the extremely rapid formation of a significant layer of limestone near the bottom of the canyon, a layer like the others we've been told about, that allegedly formed at the bottom of a calm and placid sea with slow and gradual sedimentation. But a million nautiloids, standing on their heads, literally, would beg to differ. At our sister site, RSR provides the relevant Geologic Society of America abstract, links, and video.

*  Now It's Allegedly Two Million Year-Old Leaves: "When we started pulling leaves out of the soil, that was surreal, to know that it's millions of years old..." sur-re-al: adjective: a bizarre mix of fact and fantasy. In this case, the leaves are the facts. Earth scientists from Ohio State and the University of Minnesota say that wood and leaves they found in the Canadian Arctic are at least two million years old, and perhaps more than ten million years old, even though the leaves are just dry and crumbly and the wood still burns!

* Gold Precipitates in Veins in Less than a Second: After geologists submitted for decades to the assumption that each layer of gold would deposit at the alleged super slow rates of geologic process, the journal Nature Geoscience reports that each layer of deposition can occur within a few tenths of a second. Meanwhile, at the Lihir gold deposit in Papua New Guinea, evolutionists assumed the more than 20 million ounces of gold in the Lihir reserve took millions of years to deposit, but as reported in the journal Science, geologists can now demonstrate that the deposit could have formed in thousands of years, or far more quickly!

Iceland's not-so-old Surtsey Island looks ancient.

* Surtsey Island, Iceland: Of the volcanic island that formed in 1963, New Scientist reported in 2007 about Surtsey that "geographers... marvel that canyons, gullies and other land features that typically take tens of thousands or millions of years to form were created in less than a decade." Yes. And Sigurdur Thorarinsson, Iceland's chief  geologist, wrote in the months after Surtsey formed, "that the time scale," he had been trained "to attach to geological developments is misleading."

[For what is said to] take thousands of years... the same development may take a few weeks or even days here [including to form] a landscape... so varied and mature that it was almost beyond belief... wide sandy beaches and precipitous crags... gravel banks and lagoons, impressive cliffs… hollows, glens and soft undulating land... fractures and fault scarps, channels and screes… confounded by what met your eye... boulders worn by the surf, some of which were almost round... -Iceland's chief geologist