In this episode of Recovery Discovery, hosts DeAnn and Craig talk with Dr. Quyen Ngo, clinical psychologist and Director of the Butler Center for Research at the Hazelden Betty Ford Foundation.

Together, they explore the science behind addiction treatment, why recovery support must extend far beyond discharge, and how technology—from wearables to AI—might shape the future of long-term recovery.

Dr. Ngo breaks down:

• Why addiction is a chronic brain disease, not a moral failing
• The “danger zones” at 3, 6, and 12 months post-treatment
• How Hazelden Betty Ford redesigned long-term support through the Lifelong Recovery Program
• Challenges of collecting real-world outcomes data across systems
• Ethical considerations of third-party platforms and patient privacy
• The promise and risks of AI in behavioral health
• Why standardizing treatment increases—not decreases—personalized care

This episode offers a rare inside look at modern addiction science, emerging technology, and the human work of supporting lasting change. It’s a conversation that bridges research, lived experience, and innovation — from the Butler Center for Research to the therapist’s office and beyond.

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In this illuminating episode of Recovery Discovery, host DeAnn Knighton and co-host Craig sit down with Dr. Jorja Jamison, psychologist, professor, and author at the Hazelden Betty Ford Graduate School of Addiction Studies, to explore how modern neuroscience and psychology shed new light on the 12 Steps of recovery.

Dr. Jamison shares her personal journey — from training as an addiction psychologist while secretly battling her own substance use, to finding long-term recovery and discovering how the science of the brain validates what the 12 Steps have taught for decades: that healing happens through connection, meaning-making, and change.

Together, they unpack how each step reflects a core psychological or biological process — from the brain’s wiring and reward circuitry to the emotional release that comes from vulnerability and community.

Listeners will gain a robust new understanding of how surrender, honesty, and service are not only spiritual concepts but also neurochemical and psychological realities that support lasting transformation.

Jorja's Website

Jorga's Book: Wounded Healing 

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What if a short snippet of conversation could reveal insights into your emotional, behavioral, and cognitive health and signal risk factors for Substance Use Disorder? In this episode of Recovery Discovery, hosts' DeAnn Knighton and Craig Knighton sit down with Henry O’Connell, Co-Founder and CEO of Canary Speech, to explore how artificial intelligence and voice biomarkers are transforming the way clinicians understand human well-being.

From its origin story in a Utah bagel shop to its deployment in primary care and behavioral health settings, Canary Speech’s “ambient listening” technology captures subtle, subconscious vocal patterns — helping clinicians identify indicators of anxiety, depression, pain, mild cognitive impairment, and even Alzheimer’s disease.
The three discuss:

• The science of voice biomarkers and clinical decision support
• How Canary’s non-intrusive AI assists rather than replaces clinicians
• Application to substance use disorder 
• Real stories from patients and practitioners using the tool
• The ethical and emotional dimensions of integrating AI into mental health care and substance use disorder

This conversation is equal parts innovation, empathy, and inspiration — a look at how technology can help us listen better to ourselves and one another

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In this episode of Show Up and Stay, host DeAnn Knighton and co-host Craig Knighton speak with Tamar Blue, founder and CEO of MentalHappy, about how technology is reshaping access to mental-health and recovery-focused support groups.

Tamar shares her personal journey and the inspiration behind building a platform designed to connect individuals with the right group and facilitator—removing barriers of geography, stigma, and safety concerns. Listeners will learn how MentalHappy creates a secure, stigma-free environment for healing through features such as facilitator vetting, trigger warnings, guided anonymity, and innovative tools like the new “Coming Soon” waitlist for groups in development.

The conversation highlights:

• The power of peer connection in recovery and survivorship beyond traditional clinical care.
• The technology gap leaves many people unsupported and strains the healthcare system.
• Practical advice for facilitators to launch and grow successful groups—including clear guidelines, transparent group descriptions, and accessible pricing models.
• The importance of designing inclusive spaces that respect safety, privacy, and cultural context while fostering trust and belonging.

Whether you’re a mental-health professional, a survivor seeking connection, or a healthcare innovator, this episode sheds light on the evolving landscape of digital group support and how technology, when thoughtfully built, can strengthen—not replace—human connection.

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Topics: 

• Impact of Gut Health on Addiction
• Balancing Body, Mind, and Heart
• Future Directions and Stop Circuit

In this week's episode, DeAnn and Craig record a follow-up to our last episode featuring Adam Sud and the power of nutrition as a tool for sustainable recovery. They discuss the impact of diet and exercise on recovery. Craig emphasizes the importance of a balanced caloric environment, encompassing the types of food consumed and the utilization of calories. They explore the role of the microbiome in health, noting studies on cocaine's effect on glycine levels and how gut bacteria can influence addiction. DeAnn shares her personal recovery journey, emphasizing the significance of the balance of heart, mind, and body and the role the enneagram played in building this understanding.

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Adam Sud, a behavioral wellness and nutrition expert, joins DeAnn to discuss the impact of nutrition on addiction recovery. He shares his personal journey from severe health issues and addiction to recovery through a plant-based diet, reversing diabetes and losing 150 pounds in 10 months. Adam highlights the Infinite Study, the first controlled trial on nutrition's effect on addiction recovery, which showed significant improvements in resilience, self-esteem, and self-compassion. He emphasizes the importance of a nutrient-dense diet, particularly high fiber intake, in treatment facilities to enhance recovery outcomes.

Link to Forbes article about The Infinite Study

Adam's Website

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Why do achievements often leave us feeling unsatisfied?
Why does FOMO (Fear of Missing Out) persist?
Why do people do things they know will harm them? 

DeAnn and Craig Knighton discuss the role of dopamine in substance use disorder, referencing "The Molecule of More" by Lieberman and Long and "Dopamine Nation" by Dr. Anna Lembke. Dopamine, a neurotransmitter linked to pleasure and reward, plays a crucial role in addiction and recovery. The conversation explores dopamine's impact on behavior, motivation, and cravings, and how it influences addiction cycles. They also discuss the concept of homeostasis, the importance of willpower, and the potential for future scientific advancements in dopamine research to aid in addiction treatment. Craig and DeAnn share personal anecdotes about dopamine's influence on behavior and the challenges of maintaining control.

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DeAnn and Craig speak with Joe Caravella, author of "The Disease of Addiction - A Twenty-First Century Understanding and Beyond" and a fellow Hazelden Betty Ford Graduate School alum. Joe steps us through the evolution of addiction treatment, emphasizing the neurobiological aspects and the role of resilience. Joe explains addiction as a brain disease and describes the severing of communication between the prefrontal cortex and survival mechanisms, leading to compulsive behavior. Craig reflects on the progress in destigmatizing addiction and the importance of understanding addiction as a disease. They also explore the integration of science and spirituality in recovery, noting the significance of community and connection in overcoming addiction. Some personal perspectives and stories are shared.  

Link to FREE PDF of Joe's book: 

"The Disease of Addiction - A Twenty-First Century Understanding and Beyond"

Additional recommendations from Joe:

The Awakened Brain

Uppers, Downers, All Arounders: Physical and Mental Effects of Psychoactive Drugs

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In our follow-up to our "Noble Nematode" episode, we move into part 2 of our conversation on the origins of addiction. Craig brings in Daniel Kahneman's "Thinking Fast and Slow," which differentiates between the subconscious (System 1) and conscious (System 2) mind as a framework. Craig admits to his compulsive behavior around sweets, even when he tries to resist. They explore how trauma and emotional states can trigger addictive behaviors, and how understanding these mechanisms can aid in recovery. DeAnn mentions a colleague's focus on food addiction utilizing the substance use treatment behavioral understanding as a tool. And of course, DeAnn finds a reasonable, albeit loose connection to her recent binge-watch of "Murderbot". 

Episode Reference List: 

Kahneman, D. (2011). Thinking, fast and slow. Farrar, Straus and Giroux. 

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/murderbots-cyborg-brain-explained-by-neuroscience/

Craig's Blog Post: https://www.showupandstay.org/blog/origins-of-addiction-part-2-sugar-systems-1-and-2-and-self-sabotage

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Jason Schwartz, a social worker since 1994 and Director of Social Work and Spiritual Care at a Michigan healthcare system, discussed his career at Dawn Farm and highlighted the potential of AI in addiction treatment, noting its use in training and electronic medical records.  Jason shares a troubling case study from an article in Futurism, where an AI chatbot advised a person with methamphetamine addiction to use the drug to stay awake.

Jason highlights the challenges of balancing engagement and providing accurate information, using the example of a cancer patient who believes Vitamin C is an effective treatment.

One key takeaway includes the importance of defining and measuring quality of life and long-term recovery trajectories, as well as exploring the role of AI in tracking and analyzing these factors.

Additionally, Jason explains his initial curiosity with AI, seeing potential in training and electronic medical records for identifying themes and high-risk periods.

The AI Mirror Blog Post: 

https://recoveryreview.blog/2025/06/08/the-ai-mirror-take-that-small-hit-and-youll-be-fine/

https://recoveryreview.blog/

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