In today’s episode we talk about why abortion numbers continue to rise in America despite the fall of Roe v. Wade and conservative victories in red states. Seth Gruber is joined by Jason Storms, White Rose Florida chapter leader, to expose the deep divide within the conservative and pro-life movements—and how decades of compromise and apathy have kept abortion alive. This episode continues the conversation from the Life or Death Con 2026 panel in Washington, D.C. with Abby Johnson, Steve Davis, and Jason Storms, where the discussion turned unapologetically honest—and very spicy.

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