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The conversation that led to this episode started with a LinkedIn post -- and it quickly surfaced a challenge that security leaders across industries are wrestling with but rarely talk about openly: who is actually responsible for protecting the people inside an organization, not just the systems they use?

Roland Cloutier has sat in some of the most demanding security leadership seats in the world -- Global CSO at TikTok/ByteDance, a decade as Global CSO at ADP, and VP and CSO at EMC -- and he now advises CISOs and CSOs through The Business Protection Group. His lens is converged security: the deliberate integration of cyber, physical, privacy, and people-risk under a unified program and leadership model.

Roland identifies three patterns that typically bring organizations to him. First, an emergent crisis -- a threat against an executive, a workplace violence incident, a travel security failure -- that suddenly exposes the absence of a coherent protection program. Second, a cost and structure conversation where the CEO is tired of receiving two different risk pictures from two different security leaders and wants a single accountable voice. Third, a board-driven inquiry where general counsel or the CEO is being asked questions about executive resilience and duty of care that nobody inside the organization can confidently answer.

What makes this conversation particularly sharp is Roland's framing of convergence not as an org chart exercise, but as a force multiplier. A unified threat intelligence picture -- one that covers cyber, physical, executive, brand, and customer risk simultaneously -- enables cleaner prioritization, better resource allocation, and a fundamentally stronger conversation with the CEO. The alternative, which he has seen firsthand, is four separate threat management platforms reporting independently with no team working across all of them.

The episode also pushes into territory that most security programs have not yet mapped: employee protection at scale. Not bodyguards for everyone, but the organizational consciousness to monitor for geographic threats, proactively check in with distributed employees during major events, and build a duty-of-care posture that extends beyond the office walls into people's home lives and total risk environment. For high-risk employees -- those with keys to the kingdom, not just C-suite titles -- that responsibility extends further still.

For CISOs and CSOs wondering where to start, Roland offers a practical crawl-walk-run framework: start with shared services rather than full convergence, open the conversation with leadership, surface the gaps the business already knows exist, and build a financial and risk model that makes sense for your specific organization. The goal is a converged security program that treats people -- not just infrastructure -- as an asset worth protecting.

⬥GUEST⬥

Roland Cloutier, Principal at The Business Protection Group | On LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rolandcloutier/

⬥HOST⬥

Sean Martin, Co-Founder at ITSPmagazine, Studio C60, and Host of Redefining CyberSecurity Podcast & Music Evolves Podcast | Website: https://www.seanmartin.com/

⬥RESOURCES⬥

The Future of Cybersecurity Newsletter | https://www.linkedin.com/newsletters/7108625890296614912/

⬥ADDITIONAL INFORMATION⬥

On ITSPmagazine: https://www.itspmagazine.com/

⬥KEYWORDS⬥

roland cloutier, the business protection group, sean martin, executive protection, employee protection, converged security, physical security, ciso, cso, duty of care, threat intelligence, workplace violence, security convergence, business resilience, redefining cybersecurity, cybersecurity podcast, redefining cybersecurity podcast

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Archer is redefining what it means to manage governance, risk, and compliance in an environment defined by constant change. Steve Schlarman, Senior Director at Archer, has spent nearly two decades helping organizations understand why their traditional GRC approaches are falling short and what it takes to close the gap.

The forces challenging organizations today are well known: velocity of change, volume of change, and the uncertainty that compounds both. What makes the problem acute is timing. Annual audit cycles and quarterly risk assessments produce reports that reflect a reality that has already shifted by the time decision makers see them. The result is drift between what GRC functions can see and what leadership actually needs to know, and every gap in that visibility carries potential exposure.

Schlarman explains that this reactive posture is exactly what Archer is working to change. Rather than treating risk and compliance as periodic checkboxes, the goal is to build a program that runs continuously, projecting forward as the business expands into new jurisdictions, launches new products, or encounters emerging risks. What are the compliance obligations? How does exposure shift? Archer Evolv is designed to answer those questions in real time, keeping GRC moving alongside the business rather than scrambling to catch up.

Central to Archer's strategy is AI applied with intention. Rather than deploying generic agents, Archer is building what Schlarman calls AI operators: focused, guardrailed tools designed specifically to solve GRC problems. That distinction matters because the complexity of risk and compliance work demands precision, not just automation.

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Steve Schlarman, Senior Director, Archer | https://www.linkedin.com/in/steveschlarman/

RESOURCES

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Steve Schlarman, Archer, Sean Martin, brand story, brand marketing, marketing podcast, brand highlight, GRC, governance risk and compliance, adaptive GRC, integrated risk management, Archer Evolv, AI in GRC, risk management, compliance automation, enterprise risk, risk and compliance strategy

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Nobody decided to build a human-optional workflow — they just kept making reasonable procurement decisions, task by task, until the human became optional across hiring, contracting, finance, and security operations. Sean Martin traces what organizations have actually assembled, where accountability lives when it goes wrong, and why the regulatory window for getting ahead of it is closing faster than most leaders realize.

In this edition of Lens Four, Sean Martin looks at the agentic AI landscape through three lenses — programs, innovation, and messaging — to connect the signals that matter.

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Fourth Lens: The vendors knew what they were building. The buyers didn't ask the right questions. The auditors haven't arrived yet. The organizations that use the remaining window to map what they've assembled — and make explicit decisions about what requires human judgment — will be positioned when the frameworks arrive. The ones that don't will discover that the workflow they built by default is not the workflow they would have chosen under scrutiny.

📖 Read the full Lens Four analysis on seanmartin.com: https://www.seanmartin.com/lens-four/task-by-task-workflows-handing-to-ai-one-decision-at-a-time

🎧 Listen to the Redefining CyberSecurity Podcast conversation with Edward Wu of Dropzone AI at Black Hat USA 2025: https://www.itspmagazine.com/their-stories/dropzone-ai-brings-agentic-automation-to-black-hat-usa-2025-a-drop-zone-ai-pre-event-coverage-of-black-hat-usa-2025-las-vegas-brand-story-with-edward-wu-founder/ceo-at-dropzone-ai

🎧 Listen to the Redefining CyberSecurity Podcast conversation with Subo Guha of Stellar Cyber at RSAC 2025: https://www.itspmagazine.com/their-stories/simplifying-cybersecurity-operations-at-scale-automation-with-a-human-touch-a-brand-story-with-subo-guha-from-stellar-cyber-an-on-location-rsac-conference-2025-brand-story

🎧 Listen to the Redefining CyberSecurity Podcast conversation with Subo Guha of Stellar Cyber at Black Hat 2025: https://www.itspmagazine.com/their-stories/stellar-cyber-revolutionizes-soc-cybersecurity-operations-with-human-augmented-autonomous-platform-at-black-hat-2025a-stellar-cyber-event-coverage-of-black-hat-usa-2025-las-vegas

🎧 Listen to the Random and Unscripted episode — "We're Becoming Dumb and Numb" — with Sean Martin and Marco Ciappelli: https://randomandunscripted.com/episodes/were-becoming-dumb-and-numb-why-black-hat-2025s-ai-hype-is-killing-cybersecurity-and-our-ability-to-think-random-and-unscripted-weekly-update-with-sean-martin-and-marco-ciappelli | 🎬 Watch on YouTube

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Sean Martin is a life-long musician and the host of the Music Evolves Podcast; a career technologist, cybersecurity professional, and host of the Redefining CyberSecurity Podcast; and is also the co-host of both the Random and Unscripted Podcast and On Location Event Coverage Podcast. These shows are all part of ITSPmagazine—which he co-founded with his good friend Marco Ciappelli, to explore and discuss topics at The Intersection of Technology, Cybersecurity, and Society.™️

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Attackers are moving in 72 minutes. One CISO has already eliminated the entire SOC team. And the industry is spending a quarter of a trillion dollars while struggling to define what "resilience" even means.

In this edition of Lens Four, Sean Martin looks at the cybersecurity landscape through three lenses — programs, innovation, and messaging — to connect the signals that matter.

🔍 In this episode:

Sean's Take:

Catch the full companion article on Lens Four at seanmartin.com for the complete three-lens analysis with all references and data sources.

For CISOs and security leaders: Can your program detect, investigate, and contain a threat in 72 minutes — or are you still measuring in days?
For vendors and product teams: Is your platform solving the operational problem CISOs have today, or selling a vision their program can't execute on?
For marketing and go-to-market teams: Are you connecting your messaging to measurable outcomes — or hiding behind buzzwords like "resilience" and "platform"?

📖 Read the full Lens Four analysis on seanmartin.com: https://www.seanmartin.com/lens-four/72-minute-gap-breaches-vendors-messaging

🎬 Watch the companion video summary — "Why Hackers Beat Your Security in Just 72 Minutes": https://youtu.be/EjsADm7faJ0

🎧 Listen to the Redefining CyberSecurity Podcast conversation with Richard Stiennon on SOC automation: https://redefiningcybersecuritypodcast.com/episodes/soc-automation-and-the-ai-driven-future-of-cybersecurity-defense-a-redefining-cybersecurity-podcast-conversation-with-richard-stiennon-chief-research-analyst-of-it-harvest

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The security operations center has always been a battleground of volume, velocity, and human endurance. Analysts have long faced the impossible math of too many alerts, too few hours, and too much at stake. For years, the industry promised automation would change that equation -- but the technology was never quite ready to deliver. That moment, according to Richard Stiennon, has now arrived.

Stiennon, Chief Research Analyst at IT-Harvest, has spent two decades tracking every corner of the cybersecurity vendor landscape. His data now shows more than 61 net-new SOC automation vendors -- companies that did not exist a few years ago -- built from the ground up to replace the work of tier-one, tier-two, and tier-three analysts. Some of these vendors launched in January 2024 and reached $1 million in ARR by April. By the end of 2025, several were reporting $3 million ARR. These are not incremental improvements. They represent a structural shift in how security operations can be run.

What makes this generation of SOC automation different from earlier SIEM and SOAR tooling is scope and autonomy. The value proposition is blunt: 100% alert triage, 24 hours a day, 7 days a week -- with automated case building, threat investigation, and response actions including machine isolation and reimaging. Stiennon points to a CISO he met, speaking under Chatham House rules, who disclosed that a large enterprise had already eliminated its entire human SOC team. He predicts that disclosure will go public before long.

The conversation also explores the business context question that security leaders frequently wrestle with: are these AI-driven SOC tools operating with a narrow cyber mandate, potentially optimizing for security metrics at the expense of business continuity? Stiennon pushes back on that concern, arguing that large language models are already trained on the full breadth of human knowledge -- they understand business context at a level that exceeds most organizations' internal documentation. The more pressing risk, he suggests, is not that AI will act outside business intent, but that organizations will move too slowly to benefit. Waiting six months for a proof-of-concept report while spending a million dollars on human SOC operations is not due diligence -- it is opportunity cost.

The conversation also touches on data privacy in AI-driven security, the role of federated learning and fully homomorphic encryption for compliance-sensitive environments, and what security leaders can do today to evaluate and accelerate their own adoption timeline. Stiennon will be at RSA Conference 2026 with his new book, Guardians of the Machine Age: Why AI Security Will Define Digital Defense, continuing to make the case for a field that is moving faster than most organizations are prepared to acknowledge.

⬥GUEST⬥

Richard Stiennon, Chief Research Analyst at IT-Harvest | Website: https://it-harvest.com/

⬥HOST⬥

Sean Martin, Co-Founder at ITSPmagazine, Studio C60, and Host of Redefining CyberSecurity Podcast & Music Evolves Podcast | Website: https://www.seanmartin.com/

⬥RESOURCES⬥

IT-Harvest | https://it-harvest.com/

⬥ADDITIONAL INFORMATION⬥

On Podcast: https://www.seanmartin.com/redefining-cybersecurity-podcast

⬥KEYWORDS⬥

richard stiennon, it-harvest, sean martin, soc automation, ai security, security operations center, threat detection, autonomous response, alert triage, security operations, cybersecurity vendors, ai agents, large language models, federated learning, siem, soar, redefining cybersecurity, cybersecurity podcast, redefining cybersecurity podcast

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What happens when a cybersecurity professional knows exactly what's wrong but can't get anyone to act on it? It's a problem that affects security teams across every industry, and it's the central question driving Josh Mason's new book, Speaks Security with a Business Accent. In this conversation, Josh Mason joins Sean Martin to unpack why technical accuracy alone doesn't move the needle and what it takes to communicate security in terms the business actually understands.

Josh Mason brings a perspective shaped by years as an Air Force pilot and cyber warfare officer, where mission-first thinking wasn't optional, it was survival. As a safety officer, he studied aircraft mishaps, analyzed black box recordings, and learned that risk awareness doesn't mean risk paralysis. The same philosophy, he argues, applies to cybersecurity: teams can acknowledge risk without letting fear of failure prevent them from supporting the mission. Drawing from books like Dale Carnegie's How to Win Friends and Influence People, The Phoenix Project, and The Goal, Josh Mason structured his own book as a narrative, telling the story of a CIO who transforms a disconnected security team into one that communicates effectively with colleagues, leadership, the board, and eventually beyond the organization.

A recurring theme in this conversation is the danger of perfection as the enemy of progress. Josh Mason uses the Iron Man analogy of building an imperfect prototype, flying it, learning from the failure, and iterating, to argue that security teams need to embrace a similar mindset. DevOps teams have already adopted this approach, and security can learn from it. Inaction for perfection's sake, he warns, isn't going to get anyone anywhere.

The conversation also examines whether the cybersecurity industry does enough to learn from its own incidents. Unlike aviation, where the FAA and NTSB mandate rigorous post-incident analysis, cybersecurity lacks a centralized authority enforcing that same discipline. Organizations like MITRE, Verizon, and Mandiant publish valuable trend reports, and the data is there for those willing to use it, but it ultimately comes down to individual responsibility and leadership within each organization.

For anyone who has ever felt technically right but strategically sidelined, this conversation offers a practical lens on bridging the gap between what security teams know and what the business needs to hear.

⬥GUEST⬥

Josh Mason, Author of Speaks Security with a Business Accent | Air Force Veteran, Cybersecurity Professional, and Founder of Noob Village | Website: https://www.mason-sc.com | On LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/joshuacmason/

⬥HOST⬥

Sean Martin, Co-Founder at ITSPmagazine, Studio C60, and Host of Redefining CyberSecurity Podcast & Music Evolves Podcast | Website: https://www.seanmartin.com/

⬥RESOURCES⬥

Speaks Security with a Business Accent by Josh Mason | https://www.mason-sc.com

⬥ADDITIONAL INFORMATION⬥

⬥KEYWORDS⬥

josh mason, sean martin, speaks security with a business accent, cybersecurity communication, business alignment, penetration testing, risk management, air force cybersecurity, security leadership, mission-driven security, stakeholder communication, security storytelling, noob village, redefining cybersecurity, cybersecurity podcast, redefining cybersecurity podcast

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What does it take to turn the dream of an autonomous SOC into something organizations can actually deploy? Subo Guha, Senior Vice President of Product Management at Stellar Cyber, joins Sean Martin to share how the company's AI-driven security operations platform is making that vision a reality. Stellar Cyber serves SOC teams across more than 50 countries, with a primary focus on MSPs and MSSPs supporting the underserved mid-market, though marquee enterprise customers like Canon are also part of the portfolio.

How can agentic AI change the way SOC teams handle alert overload? Guha describes what he calls a "digital army" of AI agents that work around the clock to automate alert triage and catch phishing attacks. The system filters 70 to 80 percent of incoming alerts, allowing analysts to focus on the 20 percent that matter most. With attackers using AI to launch faster and more frequent campaigns, Stellar Cyber takes a human-augmented approach, meaning the AI learns from analyst interactions and continuously guides the SOC team toward faster, more accurate remediation.

Why does this matter for MSPs operating on thin margins? Guha explains that the autonomous SOC capability layered on top of Stellar Cyber's XDR platform allows MSSPs to serve more customers, reduce mean time to repair, and grow their tenant base without proportionally increasing staff. When MSSPs grow revenue, Stellar Cyber grows alongside them, creating a mutually beneficial model that ultimately means more organizations get protected.

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GUEST

Subo Guha, Senior Vice President of Product Management, Stellar Cyber @LinkedIn

RESOURCES

Learn more about Stellar Cyber: https://stellarcyber.ai

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KEYWORDS

Subo Guha, Stellar Cyber, Sean Martin, brand story, brand marketing, marketing podcast, brand highlight, autonomous SOC, agentic AI, security operations, XDR, NDR, MSSP, MSP, alert triage, AI-driven security, Open XDR, Gartner Magic Quadrant, phishing detection, SOC automation

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What happens when AI agents inherit access to enterprise systems but nobody governs their identities? Ido Shlomo, Co-Founder and CTO of Token Security, joins the conversation to unpack a rapidly growing challenge that many organizations face but few have addressed. As businesses accelerate AI adoption, agents are being deployed to fetch data from CRMs, process emails, and execute actions across platforms. The problem is that these agents often operate with persistent access, no clear ownership, and little visibility into what they can reach.

How should security teams approach AI agent identity governance? Shlomo explains that the first step is discovery. Most companies do not know what their AI agent inventory looks like, and without that baseline, effective governance is impossible. The good news, he notes, is that agents do not suffer from politics. They do exactly what they are told and operate within the boundaries they are given. That predictability makes the challenge more manageable if the right tooling is in place.

What makes an effective access policy for AI agents? Rather than relying on prompt filtering or output controls that add latency and friction, Shlomo advocates for intent-based permission models that scope each agent to access only what it needs, when it needs it. He frames the prioritization process as a matrix of access and autonomy, where the agents with the highest levels of both deserve immediate attention. For business leaders, the visibility that comes from this approach also reveals waste and inefficiency, highlighting departments and services that are not delivering on their intended value. To learn more about how to identify, govern, and secure AI agent identities, connect with the Token Security team and follow Ido Shlomo for practical guidance.

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GUEST

Ido Shlomo, Co-Founder & CTO of Token Security
On LinkedIn: https://il.linkedin.com/in/ido--shlomo

RESOURCES

Token Security (Website): https://www.token.security/

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KEYWORDS

Ido Shlomo, Token Security, Sean Martin, brand story, brand marketing, marketing podcast, brand highlight, AI agent identity, non-human identity, identity governance, AI agent security, identity risk, least privilege, AI agent access, machine identity, NHI security, AI agent inventory, intent-based access

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The CISA Known Exploited Vulnerabilities (KEV) catalog is one of the most referenced resources in vulnerability management, but how well do security teams actually understand what it tells them? In this Brand Highlight, Tod Beardsley, Vice President of Security Research at runZero and former CISA section chief who helped manage the KEV on a daily basis, breaks down what the catalog is designed to do and, just as importantly, what it is not.

What is the KEV catalog and who is it really for? The KEV is mandated by Binding Operational Directive 22-01 (BOD 22-01), which tasks CISA with identifying vulnerabilities that are known to be exploited and have an available fix. Its primary audience is federal civilian executive branch agencies, but because the catalog is public, organizations everywhere use it as a prioritization signal. Beardsley notes that inclusion on the KEV requires a CVE ID, evidence of active exploitation, a patch or mitigation, and relevance to federal interests, meaning zero-day vulnerabilities and end-of-life systems without CVEs never appear.

How should organizations think about KEV entries that are not equally dangerous? Beardsley explains that only about a third of KEV-listed vulnerabilities represent straight-shot remote code execution with no user interaction and no authentication required. The rest span a wide spectrum of severity. EPSS data reveals an inverse bell curve: many KEV entries have extremely low probabilities of exploitation in the next 30 days, while others cluster at the high end with commodity exploits widely available. This means treating every KEV entry as equally critical leads to wasted effort and alert fatigue.

That gap between the catalog and real-world decision-making is exactly what KEVology addresses. The research, produced by Beardsley at runZero, enriches KEV data with CVSS metrics, EPSS scores, exploit tooling indicators, and ATT&CK mappings to help security teams filter and prioritize vulnerabilities based on what actually matters to their environment. Rather than prescribing a single priority list, KEVology treats the KEV as data to be analyzed, not doctrine to be followed blindly.

To make this analysis accessible and interactive, runZero built KEV Collider, a free, daily-updated web application at runzero.com/kev-collider. The tool lets defenders sort, filter, and layer multiple risk signals across the entire KEV catalog. Because every filter combination is encoded in URL parameters, teams can bookmark and share custom views with colleagues instantly. Beardsley describes KEV Collider as an evergreen companion to the research, updating automatically as new vulnerabilities are added to the catalog each week.

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GUEST

Tod Beardsley, Vice President of Security Research at runZero
On LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/todb/

RESOURCES

Learn more about runZero: https://www.runzero.com
KEVology research report: https://www.runzero.com/resources/kevology/
KEV Collider: https://www.runzero.com/kev-collider/

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KEYWORDS

Tod Beardsley, runZero, Sean Martin, brand story, brand marketing, marketing podcast, brand highlight, KEVology, KEV Collider, CISA KEV, vulnerability management, exploit scoring, EPSS, CVSS, vulnerability prioritization, exposure management, BOD 22-01, known exploited vulnerabilities, cybersecurity risk, patch management

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What happens when AI safety filters fail to catch harmful content hidden inside images? Alessandro Pignati, AI Security Researcher at NeuralTrust, joins Sean Martin to reveal a newly discovered vulnerability that affects some of the most widely used image-generation models on the market today. The technique, called semantic chaining, is an image-based jailbreak attack discovered by the NeuralTrust research team, and it raises important questions about how enterprises secure their multimodal AI deployments.

How does semantic chaining work? Pignati explains that the attack uses a single prompt composed of several parts. It begins with a benign scenario, such as a historical or educational context. A second instruction asks the model to make an innocent modification, like changing the color of a background. The final, critical step introduces a malicious directive, instructing the model to embed harmful content directly into the generated image. Because image-generation models apply fewer safety filters than their text-based counterparts, the harmful instructions are rendered inside the image without triggering the usual safeguards.

The NeuralTrust research team tested semantic chaining against prominent models including Gemini Nano Pro, Grok 4, and Seedream 4.5 by ByteDance, finding the attack effective across all of them. For enterprises, the implications extend well beyond consumer use cases. Pignati notes that if an AI agent or chatbot has access to a knowledge base containing sensitive information or personal data, a carefully structured semantic chaining prompt can force the model to generate that data directly into an image, bypassing text-based safety mechanisms entirely.

Organizations looking to learn more about semantic chaining and the broader landscape of AI agent security can visit the NeuralTrust blog, where the research team publishes detailed breakdowns of their findings. NeuralTrust also offers a newsletter with regular updates on agent security research and newly discovered vulnerabilities.

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GUEST

Alessandro Pignati, AI Security Researcher, NeuralTrust
On LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/alessandro-pignati/

RESOURCES

Learn more about NeuralTrust: https://neuraltrust.ai/

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KEYWORDS

Alessandro Pignati, NeuralTrust, Sean Martin, brand story, brand marketing, marketing podcast, brand highlight, semantic chaining, image jailbreak, AI security, agentic AI, multimodal AI, LLM safety, AI red teaming, prompt injection, AI agent security, image-based attacks, enterprise AI security

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