The Indiana Department of Information Technology realized that 70% of potential applicants weren't applying to jobs that mentioned a preference for a four-year degree even when one wasn't required. They decided to try something new. Jon Rogers, Director of Strategic Workforce Planning at the Indiana Office of Technology joins Amy and Alex to talk all about the State Earn and Learn Program where new associates from other careers can learn on the job and take certification courses to move into the rewarding career of government technology.

Jon talks about how the program works, how successful it's been and what he's feeling grateful for right now.