The upEND Podcast

Repeal CAPTA (with Richard Wexler, Mical Raz, and Angela Burton)


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How did the family policing system become what it is today? 

We’ll take a look at some of the key policies and ideas from the early 1900s through 1970s that are still in place today including the Child Abuse Prevention and Treatment Act (CAPTA) and other white supremacist ideas that emerged at the time.


About Our Guests: 

Angela Olivia Burton was recently Special Counsel for Interdisciplinary Matters in the New York State Office of Court Administration’s Office for Justice Initiatives. Prior to this position, she served for 10 years as New York’s first Director for Quality Enhancement, Parent Representation, at the NYS Office of Indigent Legal Services. Angela has taught courses in lawyering practice, constitutional family law, and children’s rights with a focus on the family policing system. 


Richard Wexler is Executive Director of NCCPR. His interest in child welfare grew out of 19 years of work as a reporter for newspapers, public radio and public television. During that time, he won more than two dozen awards, many of them for stories about child abuse and foster care. He is the author of Wounded Innocents: The Real Victims of the War Against Child Abuse


Mical Raz MD PhD is the Charles E. and Dale L. Phelps Professor in Public Policy and Health at the University of Rochester and a practicing adult hospitalist at Strong Memorial Hospital. A scholar of the history of child welfare policy, she is the author of three books, most recently Abusive Policies: How the American Child Welfare System Lost its Way


Episode Notes: 

  • Richard Wexler references an article in Boston Magazine called “The Really High Housewives of MetroWest Boston.”
  • Richard Wexler mentions Kelly Fong’s book, “Investigating Families: Motherhood in the Shadow of Child Protective Services” which is releasing in October 2023. 
  • Richard Wexler cites a paper by Anna Arons called “An Unintended Abolition: Family Regulation During the COVID-19 Crisis.”
  • Episode Transcript: upendmovement.org/episode1-3
  • Continue learning by taking our self-guided couse, “Introduction to Family Policing Abolition” which is a companion to The upEND Podcast: upendmovment.org/syllabus 
    Support the work of upEND: upendmovement.org/donate
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