Interview with professor, author, and former pastor Drick Boyd. Jonny interviews Drick on his book “Disrupting Whiteness: Talking With White People About Racism.” Drick shares the story of how he came to write this book, along with some stories from his personal journey of anti-racism, mistakes he’s made, and how he has learned to talk to other white folks about internalized, interpersonal, institutional, and systemic racism. Also in this episode, the pastors share their favorite Christmas songs and what’s been nourishing their souls: Advent, The Poet X by Elizabeth Acevedo, and a handmade gift.

//Notes//

-Interview with Drick Boyd-

Disrupting Whiteness: https://www.amazon.com/Disrupting-Whiteness-Talking-People-Racism/dp/1938798384/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=disrupting+whiteness&qid=1613428665&s=books&sr=1-1

Drick’s Website: https://drickboyd.org/blog/

My Grandmother’s Hands: https://www.amazon.com/My-Grandmothers-Hands-Racialized-Pathway/dp/1942094477

-Spiritual Show and Tell-

Comfort Comfort Ye My People https://youtu.be/4Mw9AGvr_xk?list

The Poet X by Elizabeth Acevedo: https://www.harpercollins.com/products/the-poet-x-elizabeth-acevedo

Our Spotify Wrapped: https://www.instagram.com/p/ClohPZlp46S/

//About this Podcast//

Resist and Restore is a podcast by Circle of Hope. We're extending the table of our dialogue! Tune in bi-weekly as the Circle of Hope pastors—Rachel, Julie, and Jonny—sit down to dialogue about faith, God, Jesus, the spiritual life, and everything in between. Available on Spotify, iTunes/Apple Music, Google Podcasts, Stitcher, and more.

//Contact Us//

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Interview with author, musician, and activist Andre Henry on his book All the White Friends I Couldn’t Keep. In his book and this interview, Andre recalls experiences from throughout his life that have caused him to examine his relationships with White people. He explores ideas such as what it means to break up with white Jesus, seeing black rage as a gift, and complicity among white people who call themselves anti-racist. As always, Spiritual Show and Tell to end the episode: On Repentance And Repair by Danya Ruttenberg, This Here Flesh by Cole Arthur Riley, and a production of Les Misérables.

//Notes//

-Interview with Andre Henry-

All the White Friends I Couldn't Keep: https://www.amazon.com/White-Friends-Couldnt-Keep-Hope/dp/0593239881

Andre’s Website: https://www.andrehenry.co/

-Spiritual Show and Tell-

On Repentance And Repair by Danya Ruttenberg: https://www.amazon.com/Repentance-Repair-Making-Amends-Unapologetic/dp/0807010510

This Here Flesh by Cole Arthur Riley: https://www.amazon.com/This-Here-Flesh-Spirituality-Liberation/dp/0593239776

//About this Podcast//

Resist and Restore is a podcast by Circle of Hope. We're extending the table of our dialogue! Tune in bi-weekly as the Circle of Hope pastors—Rachel, Julie, and Jonny—sit down to dialogue about faith, God, Jesus, the spiritual life, and everything in between. Available on Spotify, iTunes/Apple Music, Google Podcasts, Stitcher, and more.

//Contact Us//

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Interview with Rand Williamson and Andrew Yang, two leaders in Circle of Hope. On the eve of the 2022 midterm elections, Jonny sits down with Rand and Andrew to talk about their political involvement over the years and if Christians have a responsibility to vote. As always, we end with some Spiritual Show and Tell: chi and Tricia Hershey.

//Notes//

- Spiritual Show and Tell -

Bryant’s talk: https://soundcloud.com/circleofhopechurch/the-holy-spirit-and-chi-fishtown-102322

We Can Do Hard Things Podcast Episode with Tricia Hershey: https://open.spotify.com/episode/0eoNdCY1XHvc1bVQquB2Gk

Grace Ji-Sun Kim: https://gracejisunkim.wordpress.com/about/

//About this Podcast//

Resist and Restore is a podcast by Circle of Hope. We're extending the table of our dialogue! Tune in bi-weekly as the Circle of Hope pastors—Rachel, Julie, and Jonny—sit down to dialogue about faith, God, Jesus, the spiritual life, and everything in between. Available on Spotify, iTunes/Apple Music, Google Podcasts, Stitcher, and more.

//Contact Us//

Website: https://circleofhope.church

Email: [email protected]

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Interview with Bethany Bender, a member of the Circle of Hope community, on her experience living with long COVID. Bethany details her long-lasting symptoms after getting sick with COVID-19, her experiences not being believed by doctors, and other ways her life has changed in the past two and a half years. It is an important conversation for all to hear. Later in the episode, a little Spiritual Show and Tell: On Repentance and Repair by Danya Ruttenberg, Daily Prayers by our friend Andrew, and Crisis Contemplation by Barbara A. Holmes.

//Notes//

- Interview with Bethany Bender -

“Unrest” https://www.netflix.com/title/80168300

- Spiritual Show and Tell -

On Repentance and Repair by Danya Ruttenberg

https://www.amazon.com/Repentance-Repair-Making-Amends-Unapologetic/dp/0807010510

Prayers on Andrew Yang’s songs: https://www.circleofhope.net/dailyprayerdeeper/category/andrew-yangs-songs/

Crisis Contemplation: Healing the Wounded Village by Barbara A. Holmes https://www.amazon.com/Crisis-Contemplation-Healing-Wounded-Village/dp/1623050553

//About this Podcast//

Resist and Restore is a podcast by Circle of Hope. We're extending the table of our dialogue! Tune in bi-weekly as the Circle of Hope pastors—Rachel, Julie, and Jonny—sit down to dialogue about faith, God, Jesus, the spiritual life, and everything in between. Available on Spotify, iTunes/Apple Music, Google Podcasts, Stitcher, and more.

//Contact Us//

Website: https://circleofhope.church

Email: [email protected]

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Interview with author and pastor Rohadi Nagassar. Jonny interviews Rohadi on his book “When We Belong.” They delve into ideas about belonging in a church as a racial/sexual/gender minority, deconstruction of beliefs, exceptionalism, and more. It is a special interview. The pastors also share some talkback from the last episode, and as always, end the episode with a little Spiritual Show and Tell: meeting new people, and a website where you can listen to forests.

//Notes//

- Interview with Rohadi Nagassar -

Rohadi on Twitter: @rohadi

Rohadi on Instagram: @rohadi.nagassar

When We Belong: https://heraldpress.com/9781513810355/when-we-belong/

https://www.rohadi.com/

- Spiritual Show and Tell -

Bear Cam in Brooks Fall, Alaska https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mphg2feuAPo

Tree.fm https://www.tree.fm/

//About this Podcast//

Resist and Restore is a podcast by Circle of Hope. We're extending the table of our dialogue! Tune in bi-weekly as the Circle of Hope pastors—Rachel, Julie, and Jonny—sit down to dialogue about faith, God, Jesus, the spiritual life, and everything in between. Available on Spotify, iTunes/Apple Music, Google Podcasts, Stitcher, and more.

//Contact Us//

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Interview with author and professor Matthew Thiessen. Jonny interviews Matthew on his book “Jesus and the Forces of Death: The Gospels' Portrayal of Ritual Impurity within First-Century Judaism.” Matthew starts out by breaking down two binaries that were used by ancient Jews - holy and profane; purity and impurity - and uses those as a guide to enlighten the listeners about ritual purity laws in first century Judaism and why Christians should care about them. It is a valuable conversation with a message that is important for all Christians. To end the episode, a little Spiritual Show and Tell: the street foods of Chicago, Down North pizza, and prayer.

//Notes//

- Spiritual Show and Tell -

Down North Pizza - https://www.downnorthpizza.com/

//About this Podcast//

Resist and Restore is a podcast by Circle of Hope. We're extending the table of our dialogue! Tune in bi-weekly as the Circle of Hope pastors—Rachel, Julie, and Jonny—sit down to dialogue about faith, God, Jesus, the spiritual life, and everything in between. Available on Spotify, iTunes/Apple Music, Google Podcasts, Stitcher, and more.

//Contact Us//

Website: https://circleofhope.church

Email: [email protected]

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Interview with Corinne Bergmann and Rebekah McLendon, two leaders in Circle of Hope, on Andre Henry’s book All the White Friends I Couldn’t Keep. Corinne, Rebekah, and Jonny discuss how the book has impacted them and how they see it relating to Circle of Hope. They explore ideas such as what it means to break up with white Jesus, seeing black rage as a gift, and complicity among white people who call themselves anti-racist. At the end, our guests consider similarities between stories that Andre shared and our community, and what it means to honor those who have left because we were white friends they couldn’t keep. As always, Spiritual Show and Tell to end the episode: a tattoo inspired by The Velveteen Rabbit, the beach, and windchimes.

//Notes//

-Spiritual Show and Tell-

Music of the Spheres chimes https://www.musicofspheres.com/

How Can I Keep From Singing - Audrey Assad https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Li2hddmy63U

//About this Podcast//

Resist and Restore is a podcast by Circle of Hope. We're extending the table of our dialogue! Tune in bi-weekly as the Circle of Hope pastors—Rachel, Julie, and Jonny—sit down to dialogue about faith, God, Jesus, the spiritual life, and everything in between. Available on Spotify, iTunes/Apple Music, Google Podcasts, Stitcher, and more.

//Contact Us//

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Interview with Danté Stewart on his book Shoutin' In The Fire: An American Epistle. Danté and Jonny have an honest and vulnerable conversation about several topics, including their desire to assimilate to whiteness in the church when they were young, how the murders of black men by police officers affected Danté differently as he got older, how the works of liberation theologians changed his faith, and what it means to sing in our bondage. As always, Spiritual Show and Tell to end the episode: an unlikely Senator from West Virginia, Messiah (the TV series), and Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.

//Notes//

-Interview with Danté Stewart-

Danté Stewart's Website: https://www.dantecstewart.com/about

Danté on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/stewartdantec/?hl=en

Shoutin' In The Fire: An American Epistle: https://www.amazon.com/Shoutin-Fire-American-Dant%C3%A9-Stewart/dp/0593239628

//About this Podcast//

Resist and Restore is a podcast by Circle of Hope. We're extending the table of our dialogue! Tune in bi-weekly as the Circle of Hope pastors—Rachel, Julie, and Jonny—sit down to dialogue about faith, God, Jesus, the spiritual life, and everything in between. Available on Spotify, iTunes/Apple Music, Google Podcasts, Stitcher, and more.

//Contact Us//

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Email: [email protected]

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Interview with friend Will O’Brien on the politics of the Gospel of Luke. Will discusses how to read the gospel with a communal lens instead of an individual lens and answers questions such as: Do we have to be voluntarily poor? What is Sabbath economics? How to engage with Christian Nationalists? Also in this episode, the pastors discuss some talk back about what to do with the abuser in our church. As always, Spiritual Show and Tell to end the episode: dying wisteria, Watching My Friend Pretend Her Heart Isn’t Breaking by Rosemerry Wahtola Trommer, and Untamed by Glennon Doyle.

//Notes//

-Interview with Will O'Brien-

Will O’Brien: [email protected]

Alternative Seminary: alternativeseminary.net

The Cross and the Lynching Tree by James H. Cone:

https://www.amazon.com/Cross-Lynching-Tree-James-Cone/dp/1626980055/ref=tmm_pap_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=&sr=:

Bartimaeus Institute: https://www.bcm-net.org/study/bartimaeus-institute

Revolutionary Mercy: How Gospel forgiveness challenges our social order: https://www.americamagazine.org/issue/revolutionary-mercy

Bread and Justice: Lessons in Prayer: https://www.pulpit.org/bread-and-justice-lessons-in-prayer/

- Spiritual Show and Tell -

Power, Violence, and Binding and Loosing in Matthew 18:15-20, https://earthandaltarmag.com/posts/adgq2btuel0vhvly4kfulyetha8404

Watching My Friend Pretend Her Heart Isn’t Breaking by Rosemerry Wahtola Trommer: https://twitter.com/nktgill/status/1547572269995569152?s=20&t=OSC0Xy2zD4u5G_m7zpsCvQ

Untamed by Glennon Doyle: https://untamedbook.com/

//About this Podcast//

Resist and Restore is a podcast by Circle of Hope. We're extending the table of our dialogue! Tune in bi-weekly as the Circle of Hope pastors—Rachel, Julie, and Jonny—sit down to dialogue about faith, God, Jesus, the spiritual life, and everything in between. Available on Spotify, iTunes/Apple Music, Google Podcasts, Stitcher, and more.

//Contact Us//

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*Content warning*: this episode deals with stalking and abuse in religious institutions. If this topic is sensitive for you, feel free to skip the interview portion of the episode.

Interview with author Kristy Burmeister on her book Act Normal: Memoir of a Stumbling Block. In her book and this interview, she brings to light her personal story of being stalked and abused as a teenager in the church where her father was the pastor. Kristy and Jonny also talk about theological and structural failings in religious institutions that lead to abuse, and what we should be on the lookout for in our own churches. Also in this episode, the pastors share some talkback from the previous episode. As always, a little Spiritual Show and Tell to end the episode: James Webb Space Telescope images, summer sunsets, stargazing, and morning pages.

//Notes//

-Interview with Kristy Burmeister-

Kristy on Twitter: https://twitter.com/kristyburm

Act Normal: Memoir of a Stumbling Block https://www.amazon.com/Kristy-Burmeister/e/B07884Q6W5%3Fref=dbs_a_mng_rwt_scns_share

- Spiritual Show and Tell -

James Webb Space Telescope images: https://www.nasa.gov/press-release/nasa-reveals-webb-telescope-s-first-images-of-unseen-universe

The Artist’s Way: https://www.amazon.com/Artists-Way-25th-Anniversary/dp/0143129252/ref=sr_1_1?gclid=Cj0KCQjw8uOWBhDXARIsAOxKJ2Flt0J_nN_XMq_ONjRWaPUHsMWgkgsLzDx0pLcHX4-sz_lCvzz0OQwaAifnEALw_wcB&hvadid=174231636181&hvdev=c&hvlocphy=9003864&hvnetw=g&hvqmt=e&hvrand=16293534472348806858&hvtargid=kwd-131564562&hydadcr=24659_9648993&keywords=the+artist%27s+way&qid=1658419061&sr=8-1

//About this Podcast//

Resist and Restore is a podcast by Circle of Hope. We're extending the table of our dialogue! Tune in bi-weekly as the Circle of Hope pastors—Rachel, Julie, and Jonny—sit down to dialogue about faith, God, Jesus, the spiritual life, and everything in between. Available on Spotify, iTunes/Apple Music, Google Podcasts, Stitcher, and more.

//Contact Us//

Website: https://circleofhope.church

Email: [email protected]

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