FOR REAL is a podcast on human dignity, made by Resonate Productions.

In this episode: humanity - someone being in love with you at work - being ignored as a junior at work - asking questions.

Recorded on the 23d of November 2025, at BAM Brooklyn, Next Wave Festival, New York City.

(01:20) Zack Glassman [°1993 - Suffolk, New York]: "You are bringing music to humanity here. In this world today, I wonder: do I have to prove my humanity? Nobody needs to prove their humanity. I wish we can all experience this moment for what it is, this afternoon. Because we are all here together. "

(06:04) Helena de Groot [°1983 - Belgium]: "I have been in love with you from the moment I saw you. And actually, it is because of me that you got hired... I thought I had been hired for me."

(11:30) Keileigh [°2001 - Tennessee]: "What is the best way to phrase this... I am younger in the creative field. I look up to my elders in arts administration, I admire them, I want to be like them. But then, they don't even say 'hi' to you when you are ushering."

(15:37) Preeti [°1973 - India]: "My mother didn't get to have a career. But she has one now, in art. Her medium is what comes from domestic work, which she was made to do when she was young. I also took her for granted as a servant. She had so much more to say, that I was missing. It didn't end there."

(21:04) What do you deserve? A powerful life - to take up space - dignity - to be able to do it all.

"All comments were spot on. That's what we deserve."

For each episode of FOR REAL, we get together with a group of people in a theater, to look into what it means to matter as a person. All interviews are carried by improvised music, made by George Dumitriu (viola, guitar), Sarah Jeffery (recorders) and Andrea Voets (harp).

Made by Resonate Productions -creating musical journalism-

Music & interviews: Andrea Voets, Sarah Jeffery, George Dumitriu

Sound engineer: Hayden Hook

Funded by: AFK, FPK, BNG, Cultuurfonds, Dioraphte

This episode was co-produced by Qubit Music and supported by the Dutch Embassy in New York

Leadership support for theater at BAM provided by The Shubert Foundation, Inc. and The SHS Foundation

Leadership support for Next Wave 2025 provided by National Endowment for the Arts

Support for theater at BAM provided by The Gladys Krieble Delmas Foundation and Laura Pels International Foundation for Theater

Additional support for theater at BAM provided by The Francena T. Harrison Foundation Trust and David L. Klein, Jr. Foundation

Instagram: resonate.productions || facebook.com/musicaljournalism || www.resonate-productions.com

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FOR REAL is a podcast on human dignity, made by Resonate Productions.

In this episode: assimmilation - infantilisation - helping a younger brother - the future of feminism - to express myself.

Recorded on the 21st of November 2025, at BAM Brooklyn, Next Wave Festival, New York City.

(01:25) Dorotea [°1970 - Ocean of Lingayen, Philippines]: “The teacher accused me of not doing my homework myself. How can an immigrant girl know how to type? I quit highschool. I assimmilated to the story he had of me."

(07:10) Clara [°1994 - Stanford, Connecticut, USA]: “I am infantilized often. It kind of made me bitter over time. But there is a Haitian proverb: 'you will meet the man, or you'll meet your maker.'"

(11:53) Danre Adekunle [°Ibadan, Nigeria]: “I am an eldest immigrant daughter, my parents defer decision making to me. My brother is soaring right now. I flew down to Atlanta each month to make sure he is in a good place, 24 flights in 12 months."

(15:32) Anne [°1989 - Brazil]: "My mother didn't get to have a career. But she has one now, in art. Her medium is what comes from domestic work, which she was made to do when she was young. I also took her for granted as a servant. She had so much more to say, that I was missing. It didn't end there."

(20:10) Greta [°2009 - New York City]: "I am in a feminism club at my school. I have been trying to ignore a lot of stuff, push it away. Being a young woman, feeling I have the future of feminism on my back... people don't realise how hard it is. What am I going to do with my future? How am I going to make this right?"

(27:00) What do you deserve? A chain of 10 answers, with a gender shift in the middle after "for one single man to come up here and tell us what they deserve." Ending with: 'I deserve to express myself.'"

For each episode of FOR REAL, we get together with a group of people in a theater, to look into what it means to matter as a person. All interviews are carried by improvised music, made by George Dumitriu (viola, guitar), Sarah Jeffery (recorders) and Andrea Voets (harp).

Made by Resonate Productions -creating musical journalism-

Music & interviews: Andrea Voets, Sarah Jeffery, George Dumitriu

Sound engineer: Hayden Hook

Funded by: AFK, FPK, BNG, Cultuurfonds, Dioraphte

This episode was co-produced by Qubit Music and supported by the Dutch Embassy in New York

Leadership support for theater at BAM provided by The Shubert Foundation, Inc. and The SHS Foundation

Leadership support for Next Wave 2025 provided by National Endowment for the Arts

Support for theater at BAM provided by The Gladys Krieble Delmas Foundation and Laura Pels International Foundation for Theater

Additional support for theater at BAM provided by The Francena T. Harrison Foundation Trust and David L. Klein, Jr. Foundation

Instagram: resonate.productions || facebook.com/musicaljournalism || www.resonate-productions.com

Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

FOR REAL is a podcast on human dignity, made by Resonate Productions.

In this episode: Nixon hires - exclusion within the family - no/yes - wanting kids vs. finances.

Recorded on the 20th of November 2025, at BAM Brooklyn, Next Wave Festival, New York City.

(01:25) Jeane Andrews [°1952 - Wisconsin, USA]: “It was the first woman to get hired by a major oil company in the 70s. They didn't want to hire me, president Nixon had just signed an affirmative action act, every company had to hire one woman. We all got fired."

(12:40) Raven [°2007 - Rumford, Maine, USA]: “When I was a kid I used to feel excluded a lot within my family. They liked my brother more, the things he liked more. I was just someone who was there sometimes."

(16:26) Kalliope [°2006 - Iowa, USA]: “I was dating a guy who ended up being my manager. I got in trouble for getting my breaks at the same time as his. There is this balance of when saying 'no' or 'yes' is bad, growing up as a woman. When can I say 'no' or 'yes' and what is going to get me through this world?"

(19:45) Sarah [°1988 - Michigan, USA]: "It's easy to say in your twenties 'I don't want kids'. But as you see the biological opportunity really running out, you realise: 'I don't have a roadmap.'" I can't afford children, and I work in theater. I was babysitting children of an actress, and the husband was really resentful. Like he was paying for her hobby."

(27:00) What do you deserve? And a chain of 21 answers.

For each episode of FOR REAL, we get together with a group of people in a theater, to look into what it means to matter as a person. All interviews are carried by improvised music, made by George Dumitriu (viola, guitar), Sarah Jeffery (recorders) and Andrea Voets (harp).

Made by Resonate Productions -creating musical journalism-

Music & interviews: Andrea Voets, Sarah Jeffery, George Dumitriu

Sound engineer: Hayden Hook

Funded by: AFK, FPK, BNG, Cultuurfonds, Dioraphte

This episode was co-produced by Qubit Music and supported by the Dutch Embassy in New York

Leadership support for theater at BAM provided by The Shubert Foundation, Inc. and The SHS Foundation

Leadership support for Next Wave 2025 provided by National Endowment for the Arts

Support for theater at BAM provided by The Gladys Krieble Delmas Foundation and Laura Pels International Foundation for Theater

Additional support for theater at BAM provided by The Francena T. Harrison Foundation Trust and David L. Klein, Jr. Foundation

Instagram: resonate.productions || facebook.com/musicaljournalism || www.resonate-productions.com

Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

FOR REAL is a podcast on human dignity, made by Resonate Productions.

In this episode: responsibility to show I am not here - working only with lesbians - being the oldest Asian daughter - being part of art - deserving all the good things.

Recorded on the 19th of November 2025, at BAM Brooklyn, Next Wave Festival, New York City.

(01:30) Helga: “You could answer any of those questions with: 'it could be worse if you were black'. Perhaps people are tired of having this conversation. And I feel a tremendous responsibility to sit here. If I don't come and sit here, you don't know that I am not here."

(04:30) Cindy [°1983 - United States]: “A major producer, wealthy and older, said: 'Cindy, you have the makings of a truly great producer. But I want to sleep with you. So I could only ever view you as a mistress or secretary. I only work with lesbians.'"

(08:10) Lisa [°1999 - Ho Chi Minh City, Vietnam]: “As an eldest daughter I had to always do the best I can and take care of my family. Or at least: not to embarrass them."

(11:30) Anonymous: "I always am afraid I am not brave and honest. I always wanted to make art, but you can't if you're not brave or honest. This was a way I could be part of art. Just one time." 

(14:55) What do you deserve?: "It has taken me a whole lifetime to say what I am going to say here in public..."

"To not prove I am one of the bro's."

For each episode of FOR REAL, we get together with a group of people in a theater, to look into what it means to matter as a person. All interviews are carried by improvised music, made by George Dumitriu (viola, guitar), Sarah Jeffery (recorders) and Andrea Voets (harp).

Made by Resonate Productions -creating musical journalism-

Music & interviews: Andrea Voets, Sarah Jeffery, George Dumitriu

Sound engineer: Hayden Hook

Funded by: AFK, FPK, BNG, Cultuurfonds, Dioraphte

This episode was co-produced by Qubit Music and supported by the Dutch Embassy in New York

Leadership support for theater at BAM provided by The Shubert Foundation, Inc. and The SHS Foundation

Leadership support for Next Wave 2025 provided by National Endowment for the Arts

Support for theater at BAM provided by The Gladys Krieble Delmas Foundation and Laura Pels International Foundation for Theater

Additional support for theater at BAM provided by The Francena T. Harrison Foundation Trust and David L. Klein, Jr. Foundation

Instagram: resonate.productions || facebook.com/musicaljournalism || www.resonate-productions.com

Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

FOR REAL is a podcast on human dignity, made by Resonate Productions.

In this episode: lifting people up at work - unawareness - denying your own abilities - being warned by other women - coronatests - doubting yourself - equality, for everyone.

Recorded on 23 Αugust 2025 at Noorderzon, Groningen, the Netherlands, with staff members of the academic hospital of Groningen: the UMCG.

(01:22) Anne [°1987 - Leeuwarden, NL]: “My bosses lifted me up and took me really serious. More serious than I took myself."

(05:10) Corinna [°1968 - Eelde, NL]: “Maybe we can all understand each other more. Ask questions."

(09:37) Serée [°1986 - Groningen, NL]: “I have four kids in the whole gender range. About the clear girl, aged four: 'she is a bit bossy'. I went tiger-mom."

(14:03) Margriet Bos [°1967 - Groningen, NL]: "The professor said something very sexually motivated. Maybe 15 years ago. I had forgotten about it. It sticks because you feel so powerless. Because it is not very clear. And he is a professor..."

(19:20) Margie [°1981 - Groningen, NL]: "I work as a molecular biologist. This friend continued and continued to explain how the coronatests work to me. I just let it go."

(23:50) Carina [°1968 - Eelde, NL]: "The little self-doubts add up and up and up. My youngest works in a café now, I learn a lot from her."

(28:28) Mariska [°1985 - Groningen, NL]: "Me being white, my husband being black, people ask me if my children are from here, if they are even mine. My oldest one at school: a kid comes up and says: "Black people are less than us." And the school saying: "yes, but this is a white school..." Keep shouting."

For each episode of FOR REAL, we get together with a group of people in a theater, to look into what it means to matter as a person. All interviews are carried by improvised music, made by George Dumitriu (viola, guitar), Sarah Jeffery (recorders) and Andrea Voets (harp).

Made by Resonate Productions -creating musical journalism-

Music & interviews: Andrea Voets, Sarah Jeffery, George Dumitriu

Sound engineer: Hayden Hook

Funded by: AFK, FPK, BNG, Cultuurfonds, Dioraphte

Instagram: resonate.productions || facebook.com/musicaljournalism || www.resonate-productions.com

Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

FOR REAL is a podcast on human dignity, made by Resonate Productions.

In this episode: going home after work - tradition - tea - responsibilities for other people's happiness.

Recorded on 23 Αugust 2025 at Noorderzon, Groningen, the Netherlands.

(01:17) Nikkie [°1968 - Amsterdam, NL]: “The science world is hard to work in, especially when you are a female, when you have kids, and you want to go home."

(07:03) Judith [°1981]: “I work in visual arts. It is tight and conservative."

(11:20) Rutger Doting [°1999]: “If you are drinking tea as a man in the Netherlands, you are a wuss."

(17:44) Suzanna [°1980 - Amsterdan, NL]: On the chain of responsibility for the happiness of parents, siblings, children and partner. "It sometimes feels like: where is the responsibility of making me happy."

For each episode of FOR REAL, we get together with a group of people in a theater, to look into what it means to matter as a person. All interviews are carried by improvised music, made by George Dumitriu (viola, guitar), Sarah Jeffery (recorders) and Andrea Voets (harp).

Made by Resonate Productions -creating musical journalism-

Music & interviews: Andrea Voets, Sarah Jeffery, George Dumitriu

Sound engineer: Hayden Hook

Funded by: AFK, FPK, BNG, Cultuurfonds, Dioraphte

Instagram: resonate.productions || facebook.com/musicaljournalism || www.resonate-productions.com

Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

FOR REAL is a podcast on human dignity, made by Resonate Productions.

In this episode: cancelling - the balancing act - being forgotten in illness in illness - feeling powerless.

Recorded on 11 May 2025 at Theaterfestival Auawirleben at the Dampfzentrale in Bern, Switzerland. 

(02:18) Yaniv [°1977 - Israel]: “You have an argument with someone and instead of relating with what they say, you explain why they would say something like that.”

(08:22) Anna [°1997 - Zofingen, CH]: “Especially as a woman, you try to do this balancing act and then you realize: “Oh no, I’ve again thought of other people’s opinion before I thought about what I want”.

(13:04) Antonia [°2003 - Switzerland]: “It’s a mindset I’m taking on when I feel like I’m not being heard correctly.”

(19:00) Vinny [°1995 - Zoug, CH]: “Since I’ve been chronically ill, I’ve been in bed so much. And I feel like chronically ill people get forgotten a lot, or they’re not invited into spaces, because they’re too complicated.”

(23:19) Titien [°1993 - Winterthur, CH]: “What makes me feel powerless is the state of the world right now, and that we are inheriting a patriarchy that we never wanted but that has been laid on all of us.”

For each episode of FOR REAL, we get together with a group of people in a theater, to look into what it means to matter as a person. All interviews are carried by improvised music, made by George Dumitriu (viola, guitar), Sarah Jeffery (recorders) and Andrea Voets (harp).

Made by Resonate Productions -creating musical journalism-

Music & interviews: Andrea Voets, Sarah Jeffery, George Dumitriu

Sound engineer: Hayden Hook

Funded by: AFK, FPK, BNG, Cultuurfonds, Dioraphte

Instagram: resonate.productions || facebook.com/musicaljournalism || www.resonate-productions.com

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FOR REAL is a podcast on human dignity, made by Resonate Productions.

In this episode: not doing an ‘extraordinary’ job - not having opinions - underestimating discrimination - the need to be softer.

Recorded on 10 May 2025 at Theaterfestival Auawirleben at the Dampfzentrale in Bern, Switzerland. 

(01:39) Melissa [°1992 - Ankara, TU]: “You get up one morning, you find a letter in your letterbox, they tell you to get out of the country. And then you have to go to the bar, after your 10 hours working and you have to serve people their afterwork beer with a smile. Then they tell me that I’m not doing an extraordinary job.” 

(07:19) Maria [°1986 - Vladivostok, RU]: “I was about 7 or 8, and I was trying to prove something to my stepfather, and he told me: ‘we cannot have a dialogue, because to have a dialogue, you have to have your opinion, but you don’t have opinions.’”

(12:53) Effy [°2003 - Bern, CH]: “I always have the same reaction: ‘why do you work against discrimination in Switzerland, we don’t have any discrimination here’. It’s just sad and actually quite dangerous.”

(19:31) Nico [°1977 - Bern, CH]: “Maybe we should educate all children the way females have been brought up: to question your knowledge, and to be a bit softer about super-imposing whatever you think.” 

For each episode of FOR REAL, we get together with a group of people in a theater, to look into what it means to matter as a person. All interviews are carried by improvised music, made by George Dumitriu (viola, guitar), Sarah Jeffery (recorders) and Andrea Voets (harp).

Made by Resonate Productions -creating musical journalism-

Music & interviews: Andrea Voets, Sarah Jeffery, George Dumitriu

Sound engineer: Hayden Hook

Funded by: AFK, FPK, BNG, Cultuurfonds, Dioraphte

Instagram: resonate.productions || facebook.com/musicaljournalism || www.resonate-productions.com

Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

FOR REAL is a podcast on human dignity, made by Resonate Productions.

In this episode: making your own table - selfcare of a grandmother - carrying your country's responsibilities - abortion. 

Recorded on 8 May 2025 at Frascati in Amsterdam. 

(01:38) Sarah [°1996 - Utrecht]: “I really struggled being taken seriously because of my age, being a young woman in a very male dominated environment.” 

(06:50) Juan Andres [°1996 - Caracas, VEN]: “I’ve been leading marketing teams since very early in my career and I was always amazed at how, being so young and so tiny, I was able to do that.”

(10:05) Raquel van Haver [°1989 - Bogota, COL]: “The moment you don’t speak up, the moment you keep silent, the moment you just look away, that’s the moment you’re actually the loudest.”

(15:15) Kristina [°1979 - Moscow, RU]: “Everything that I loved and admired so much, actually broke down and shattered.”

(19:03) Adi [°1996 - India]: about seeing his grandmother in scarce moments of selfcare, oiling her body.

(24:38) Alydia [°1974 - Oranjestad, Aruba]: “When I was 18, I had my first boyfriend and I got pregnant. I decided not to have that child because I’m a child myself. I was 18 and I had dreams, I had visions, I need to study, I need to move, I need to do things. So I had an abortion.”

(35:40) What do you deserve? “To be immune to those that can hurt you” “To have tears, to have feelings and to share them.”

For each episode of FOR REAL, we get together with a group of people in a theater, to look into what it means to matter as a person. All interviews are carried by improvised music, made by George Dumitriu (viola, guitar), Sarah Jeffery (recorders) and Andrea Voets (harp).

Made by Resonate Productions -creating musical journalism-

Music & interviews: Andrea Voets, Sarah Jeffery, George Dumitriu

Sound engineer: Hayden Hook

Funded by: AFK, FPK, BNG, Cultuurfonds, Dioraphte

Instagram: resonate.productions || facebook.com/musicaljournalism || www.resonate-productions.com

Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

FOR REAL is a podcast on human dignity, made by Resonate Productions.

In this episode: being a good teacher - should have known better - breadwinners - perfection - education.

Recorded on 8 March 2025 at Gigant Apeldoorn, hosted by Artez University of the Arts.

(01:50) David [°1998 - Rotterdam, NL]: "In some sense, it feels like you’re always still proving yourself, also in your insecurities."

(06:10) Daniela [°1997 - Salerno, IT]: "I really have the feeling that every time I talk with someone I have to give the correct answer because if I made a mistake then I’m not good enough and I’m not in that same level. And I feel that especially with men."

(11:06) Chris [°1995 - Maastricht, NL]: "My students, they are very vulnerable. And I’m just scared to send them into a world where there are so many professionals in the field who might take advantage of them in that way. But I’m also hopeful, because the world has changed in the last few years."

(15:44) Trinke [°1992 - Maastricht, NL]: "Especially in that region of the country, where women were just supposed to be there for the family, my mother was the one with the better education and she was the bread winner of our household. […] I actually like a lot that she didn’t make too much of a fuss about these things. It gives me the energy and the security to do things my way."

(18:40) Marianna [°1997 - Olivella, ES]: "We need to sell ourselves in the perfect way. Every time we speak, every time we play we need to make sure that that’s the right thing. And what makes me really angry is that I also do that with other women."

(24:22) What do you deserve? "To trust that I can do it" "The patience to give me more time to digest and thing about everything."

For each episode of FOR REAL, we get together with a group of people in a theater, to look into what it means to matter as a person. All interviews are carried by improvised music, made by George Dumitriu (viola, guitar), Sarah Jeffery (recorders) and Andrea Voets (harp).

Made by Resonate Productions -creating musical journalism-

Music & interviews: Andrea Voets, Sarah Jeffery, George Dumitriu

Sound engineer: Hayden Hook

Funded by: AFK, FPK, BNG, Cultuurfonds, Dioraphte

Instagram: resonate.productions || facebook.com/musicaljournalism || www.resonate-productions.com

Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.