Restoring Resilience with Chelsey Brooke Cole

Abusers don't target the weak. They target kind, patient, capable people who will do the emotional work they refuse to do.

Don Hennessy, author of Steps to Freedom, returns to continue our conversation about how predators choose their targets. This time we focus on the shame and self-blame survivors carry long after the relationship ends.

Drawing on four decades of work with survivors and abusive men, Don explains why entitlement is the root of abuse. He describes how skilled abusers fool therapists and turn therapy language against their partners. He also explains why confusion is one of the clearest signs that you're being controlled. We talk about the "monologue" survivors carry in their heads, why your intuition was hidden rather than broken, and how an emotional shield can let the light back in.

Key takeaways:

• Trauma and addiction explain nothing. Abusers always knew it was wrong.
• Measure the impact, not the behavior. Abuse without a raised hand is still abuse.
• Nothing you did caused it, and nothing you do will fix it.
• You haven't lost yourself. You've been hidden.
• Retire from the job of educating your abuser, starting today.

Part 1 with Don: They're Always in Control: A Therapist's 30-Year Study of Male Abuser

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ABOUT DON

Don Hennessy has been working in the area of male intimate abuse for more than 30 years. He served as clinical director of the National Domestic Violence Intervention project in Ireland for 15 years. He has published 3 books on the issue which analyse the action of the male abuser (who he names a psychephile) and how a target woman might recover her own instincts. He has addressed conferences in England, Northern Ireland, Spain and Greece. He continues to work with target women.

Books: How He Gets Into Her Head: The Mind of the Male Intimate Abuser https://www.amazon.com/How-Gets-Into-Her-Head/dp/1855942208

Steps to Freedom: Escaping Intimate Control https://www.amazon.com/Steps-Freedom-Escaping-Intimate-Control-ebook/dp/B07C5D7H3F

How He Wins: Abusive Intimate Partners Going Free https://www.amazon.com/How-He-Wins-Intimate-Partners-ebook/dp/B08PF74VS2

ABOUT CHELSEY

Chelsey Brooke Cole is a licensed psychotherapist and Certified Partner Trauma Therapist helping you learn to trust yourself again after narcissistic abuse. She is the bestselling author of If Only I'd Known! and host of the Restoring Resilience podcast. Her work has been featured in USA Today, HuffPost, Psychology Today, and other media outlets.

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Chapter Markers

(0:00) Introduction: Measuring Impact, Not Behavior

(0:50) Addiction and Trauma Are Not Excuses

(3:59) Entitlement: The Core of Abuse

(8:43) Why Therapy Doesn't Fix Abusers

(11:06) How Abusers Monitor and Control

(14:48) Confusion as a Weapon

(16:20) Breaking the Confusion Cycle

(21:26) Hidden, Not Damaged: Reclaiming Your Identity

(23:36) How Abusers Weaponize Intimacy

(28:29) Building an Emotional Shield

(33:15) Reconnecting With Yourself

(35:20) Closing: One Step to Start

Sabrina Bendory joins me for an honest conversation about dating after narcissistic abuse, and how to tell the difference between a real red flag and a trauma trigger. We talk about why survivors so often hide their feelings for fear of being "too much," how to tell anxiety from intuition, and why detaching from outcomes (not people) lets you date from self-worth instead of fear.

Whether you're newly dating, in a relationship that finally feels safe, or wondering if you'll ever trust yourself again, this conversation is a reminder that healthy love isn't supposed to feel dangerous, and that you can learn to trust what your body is telling you.

Ready to go deeper? Rewired for Resilience is my healing program with weekly support groups, direct access to me, and ongoing community support. https://www.chelseybrookecole.com/rewired-for-resilience/

Watch my FREE masterclass, The Narcissist's Playbook, and learn the exact patterns narcissists use and why they're so hard to see when you're in it. https://www.chelseybrookecole.com/the-narcissists-playbook/

Not sure what you're dealing with? Take a free 2-minute quiz to get clarity now. https://www.chelseybrookecole.com/quizzes/

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About Sabrina:

Sabrina Bendory is a bestselling author, relationship and self-worth coach, and host of the You Will Be OK podcast. For nearly two decades, she has helped women break unhealthy relationship patterns, heal their self-worth, and build the confidence to create the love and life they truly want.

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Chapter Markers

(0:00) Introduction

(1:43) Triggers vs. Red Flags

(3:46) Communicating Triggers in Relationships

(10:47) Anchoring in "I'll Be Okay"

(15:04) Detachment

(17:59) Self-Worth & Confidence

(20:08) Building Self-Worth

(28:37) Closing Advice

Narcissistic abuse can leave you feeling invisible in your own home, disconnected from who you are, and unable to explain what you're living through, even to the people closest to you.

In this episode of Restoring Resilience, Chelsey Brooke Cole explores the three layers of loneliness in narcissistic relationships:

• Isolation from yourself. Through cycles of punishment and reinforcement, narcissists condition you to think from the outside in, until their voice becomes the one you hear most.
• DARVO and the silent rules. Learn how Deny, Attack, Reverse Victim and Offender shifts the blame onto you, and how it teaches you to stop bringing things up altogether.
• Isolation from others. When well-meaning friends offer advice that won't work in an abusive dynamic, you start pulling back, losing the outside reality checks you need most.

Chelsey closes with two simple questions to ask yourself twice a day to begin turning your attention back inward and rebuilding your sense of agency.

ABOUT CHELSEY

Chelsey Brooke Cole is a licensed psychotherapist and Certified Partner Trauma Therapist helping you learn to trust yourself again after narcissistic abuse. She is the bestselling author of If Only I'd Known! and host of the Restoring Resilience podcast. Her work has been featured in USA Today, HuffPost, Psychology Today, and other media outlets.

For those looking for deeper support, Chelsey works with survivors through 1:1 therapy and Rewired for Resilience: Reclaiming Yourself After Narcissistic Abuse. The program offers a structured healing process with direct access to Chelsey, weekly support groups, and ongoing community support. Visit www.chelseybrookecole.com to learn more about working with Chelsey, Rewired for Resilience, and her other resources.

Chelsey's Resources

If this episode resonated with you, here are a few ways to go deeper:

Free Masterclass: The Narcissist's Playbook Understand the exact patterns narcissists use—and why it's so hard to see clearly when you're in it

👉 https://www.chelseybrookecole.com/the-narcissists-playbook/

Free Quizzes: Is It Narcissistic Abuse?

Not sure what you're dealing with? Take a free 2-minute quiz to get clarity now

👉 https://www.chelseybrookecole.com/quizzes/

Rewired for Resilience (Healing Program) Go beyond awareness and start rebuilding self-trust, emotional safety, and clarity from the inside out

👉 https://www.chelseybrookecole.com/rewired-for-resilience/

Read the First Chapter of My Book (Free)

👉 https://www.chelseybrookecole.com/firstchapterfree/

Website

👉 https://www.chelseybrookecole.com/

Chapters

(0:00) - Intro & Overview

(1:16) - Layer 1: Narcissists Isolate You From You

(3:58) - Layer 2: DARVO and the Silent Rules

(8:02) - Layer 3: Loneliness Ripples Outward

(10:26) - Two Questions to Reconnect

(11:58) - Summary & Outro

Why does leaving a narcissist feel like withdrawal? Dark triad researcher Dr. Daniel Jones explains his "social cocaine" theory: how a narcissist's artificial charm and grandiosity create a rush that can leave you craving the highs, even after the abuse begins. It's a drug you never consented to, and it can happen to anyone.

In this episode of the Restoring Resilience Podcast, Chelsey and Dr. Jones unpack the differences between narcissism, psychopathy, and Machiavellianism, how manipulation escalates in stages, and why Machiavellian partners can go undetected for years. They also explore emophilia (the tendency to fall in love fast and often), why early butterflies can be a misleading signal, and practical steps for detoxing from a toxic relationship, including Dr. Jones's CBR method: Cool, Bottom line, Rational.

Most of all, this conversation is a reminder: it's not your fault, and you are stronger than you were before.

ABOUT DR. DANIEL

Daniel N. Jones is a Professor of Management at the University of Nevada Reno (UNR). He has published more than 100 peer-reviewed journal articles and chapters and earned the Early Career Award from the Western Psychological Association. His research focuses on the differentiation of the Dark Triad (Machiavellianism, psychopathy, and narcissism) and Dark Tetrad (Dark Triad + sadism) of personality (visit: www.darktriad.co). His recent book, "Falling Fast: The Perils and Possibilities of Emophilia," discusses the propensity to fall in love easily and is readily available at Oxford University Press and Amazon.

CONNECT WITH DR. DANIEL

Research Website: darktriad.co

Consulting Website: danielnjones.org

Book on Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/Falling-Fast-Perils-Possibilities-Emophilia/dp/0190612584

TEDx Talk: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4TVV6_2K2M

ABOUT CHELSEY

Chelsey Brooke Cole is a licensed psychotherapist and Certified Partner Trauma Therapist helping you learn to trust yourself again after narcissistic abuse. She is the bestselling author of If Only I'd Known! and host of the Restoring Resilience podcast. Her work has been featured in USA Today, HuffPost, Psychology Today, and other media outlets.

For those looking for deeper support, Chelsey works with survivors through 1:1 therapy and Rewired for Resilience: Reclaiming Yourself After Narcissistic Abuse. The program offers a structured healing process with direct access to Chelsey, weekly support groups, and ongoing community support. Visit www.chelseybrookecole.com to learn more about working with Chelsey, Rewired for Resilience, and her other resources.

Chelsey's Resources

If this episode resonated with you, here are a few ways to go deeper:

Free Masterclass: The Narcissist's PlaybookUnderstand the exact patterns narcissists use—and why it's so hard to see clearly when you're in it

👉 https://www.chelseybrookecole.com/the-narcissists-playbook/

Free Quizzes: Is It Narcissistic Abuse? Not sure what you're dealing with? Take a free 2-minute quiz to get clarity now

👉 https://www.chelseybrookecole.com/quizzes/

Rewired for Resilience (Healing Program)Go beyond awareness and start rebuilding self-trust, emotional safety, and clarity from the inside out

👉 https://www.chelseybrookecole.com/rewired-for-resilience/

Read the First Chapter of My Book (Free)

👉 https://www.chelseybrookecole.com/firstchapterfree/

Website 👉 https://www.chelseybrookecole.com/

Chapters

(0:00) Intro & The Dark Triad Explained

(8:50) Identifying Narcissists in the Real World

(12:25) Sequential Manipulation & Patterns

(15:51) Machiavellian Disguise & Rationalizations

(20:48) "Social Cocaine" & Brain Chemistry

(23:28) Emophilia & Predispositions

(37:37) Red Flags vs. Butterflies — Detox Advice

(39:08) Restoring Resilience & Closing

Why do so many survivors know something is wrong and still abandon their own needs, intuition, and boundaries? Jessica Anne Pressler is a therapist, a hospice social worker, and the creator of the Traitor Within Framework. She calls that part of you "the traitor within." It's the part that learned in childhood that keeping the peace, avoiding rejection, and earning love was the safest way to live.

In this conversation, Jessica explains:

• how those childhood coping patterns follow us into adult relationships
• how narcissists study them and use them against us
• why this part of us deserves compassion instead of shame

She talks openly about her own relationships, how she eventually saw her pattern, and the small, practical steps that help rewire it. Those include setting small boundaries, building a life outside the relationship, and seeing each attempt to leave as practice rather than failure.

ABOUT JESSICA

Jessica Anne Pressler, LCSW, is a Columbia University-trained psychotherapist and author with four decades of experience helping people heal from narcissistic abuse, trauma, and grief. She is the creator of the Traitor Within framework and author of two books: Traitor Within, a debut novel that weaves healing tools into one woman's journey of overcoming trauma, and Your Traitor Within Journal, a year-long guide of journaling prompts designed to help readers unpack their own inner critic and patterns of self-sabotage, day by day. She is also the host of the Your Traitor Within podcast, featuring weekly candid conversations with guests who share their own stories of the inner voice that holds them back.

CONNECT WITH JESSICA

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ABOUT CHELSEY

Chelsey Brooke Cole is a licensed psychotherapist and Certified Partner Trauma Therapist helping you learn to trust yourself again after narcissistic abuse. She is the bestselling author of If Only I'd Known! and host of the Restoring Resilience podcast. Her work has been featured in USA Today, HuffPost, Psychology Today, and other media outlets.

For those looking for deeper support, Chelsey works with survivors through 1:1 therapy and Rewired for Resilience: Reclaiming Yourself After Narcissistic Abuse. The program offers a structured healing process with direct access to Chelsey, weekly support groups, and ongoing community support. Visit www.chelseybrookecole.com to learn more about working with Chelsey, Rewired for Resilience, and her other resources.

Chelsey's Resources

If this episode resonated with you, here are a few ways to go deeper:

Free Masterclass: The Narcissist's PlaybookUnderstand the exact patterns narcissists use—and why it's so hard to see clearly when you're in it👉 https://www.chelseybrookecole.com/the-narcissists-playbook/

Free Quizzes: Is It Narcissistic Abuse? Not sure what you're dealing with? Take a free 2-minute quiz to get clarity now

👉 https://www.chelseybrookecole.com/quizzes/

Rewired for Resilience (Healing Program)Go beyond awareness and start rebuilding self-trust, emotional safety, and clarity from the inside out👉 https://www.chelseybrookecole.com/rewired-for-resilience/

Read the First Chapter of My Book (Free)👉 https://www.chelseybrookecole.com/firstchapterfree/

Website👉 https://www.chelseybrookecole.com/

Chapters

(0:00) Introduction

(1:23) What is the Traitor Within?

(2:26) Childhood Origins

(8:23) Jessica's Personal Story

(14:10) Narcissists and the Traitor Within

(17:54) Healing and Compassion

(19:12) Practical Steps for Change

(21:37) Healthy Relationships Are Possible

(28:56) Jessica's Novel

(30:54) Closing

People in abusive relationships rarely say, "I'm being abused." They say it's a rough patch, a hard season, or a compatibility problem, and that language can keep them stuck for years.

Domestic violence advocate, coach, and Why She Stayed podcast host Grace Stuart joins Chelsey to share how it took years to recognize her own relationship as abuse. Grace explains why whoever controls the language controls reality. She describes how coercive control makes isolation feel like your own choice and how faked accountability pulls survivors back into the cycle. She also covers why so many people come to her convinced they're the problem.

You'll also hear why leaving and returning isn't failure, why it helps to look at who you've had to become instead of analyzing every incident, and how to start "repairing your reality" by documenting the pattern.

ABOUT GRACE

Grace Stuart is a domestic violence advocate, coach, and host of the Why She Stayed podcast — a raw, honest look at the subtleties of abuse and coercive control. After spending years in a relationship she never would have called abusive, Grace now helps survivors recognize the patterns, reclaim their reality, and understand why leaving is never as simple as it sounds. You can find her on Instagram at @WhySheStayedPodcast and book a one-on-one session through her link in bio at @Gracee_Elizabethh.

CONNECT WITH GRACE

https://open.spotify.com/show/50X15TNxNbYeyZfLV4x0Bi

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/why-she-stayed/id1742281264?l=vi

https://www.instagram.com/gracee__elizabethh/?hl=en

ABOUT CHELSEY

Chelsey Brooke Cole is a licensed psychotherapist and Certified Partner Trauma Therapist helping you learn to trust yourself again after narcissistic abuse. She is the bestselling author of If Only I'd Known! and host of the Restoring Resilience podcast. Her work has been featured in USA Today, HuffPost, Psychology Today, and other media outlets.

For those looking for deeper support, Chelsey works with survivors through 1:1 therapy and Rewired for Resilience: Reclaiming Yourself After Narcissistic Abuse. The program offers a structured healing process with direct access to Chelsey, weekly support groups, and ongoing community support. Visit www.chelseybrookecole.com to learn more about working with Chelsey, Rewired for Resilience, and her other resources.

Chelsey's Resources

If this episode resonated with you, here are a few ways to go deeper:

Free Masterclass: The Narcissist's PlaybookUnderstand the exact patterns narcissists use—and why it's so hard to see clearly when you're in it

👉 https://www.chelseybrookecole.com/the-narcissists-playbook/

Free Quizzes: Is It Narcissistic Abuse? Not sure what you're dealing with? Take a free 2-minute quiz to get clarity now

👉 https://www.chelseybrookecole.com/quizzes/

Rewired for Resilience (Healing Program)Go beyond awareness and start rebuilding self-trust, emotional safety, and clarity from the inside out

👉 https://www.chelseybrookecole.com/rewired-for-resilience/

Read the First Chapter of My Book (Free)

👉 https://www.chelseybrookecole.com/firstchapterfree/

Website

👉 https://www.chelseybrookecole.com/

Chapters

(0:00) - Introduction

(0:53) - The Conversation Begins

(1:50) - Controlling the Language

(6:18) - Boundary Pushing & Subtle Tactics

(7:55) - Coercive Control & Isolation

(12:33) - Why She Stayed

(15:44) - Faking Accountability

(17:14) - Shame & Leaving

(27:45) - Examining Your Adaptations

(31:05) - Repairing Your Reality

(33:31) - Closing & Where to Find Grace

Narcissistic abuse is an invisible war. You're hypervigilant, exhausted, and constantly bracing for the next blow, but nobody around you can see the battlefield. So how do you walk off a war you can't even see?

Chelsey is joined by Anne Jolles, author, TEDx speaker, and founder of Grace Trail. When her son was deployed to Afghanistan, Anne turned to walking in nature to cope, and out of that came five simple questions that became Grace Trail, now a network of self-guided walking trails across the country.

Those five questions—What am I grateful for? What do I need to release? What can I accept? What is my next challenge? What can I embrace as possible?—are a practical way for narcissistic abuse survivors to reconnect with the inner voice that abuse silences. Whether you're still in it, freshly out, or years down the road, this episode gives you a tool you can use anywhere, starting today.

You'll learn:

• Why the GRACE questions work in a cascading order, each answer shaping the next
• How gratitude and "glimmers" help without minimizing what you've been through
• How to separate what's in your control from what isn't
• Why acceptance can't be forced, and where to start instead
• How the "challenge" step gives you a plan, and a plan gives you hope
• Why small, intentional steps are what actually get people out

ABOUT ANNE JOLLES

Anne Jolles, founder of Grace Trail, author, TEDx speaker and the mother of a veteran who was deployed in Afghanistan, which became the catalyst for creating a movement that is now helping communities across the country build resilience through nature.

When Anne's son was deployed to Afghanistan, the uncertainty and fear became overwhelming. Looking for a way to cope, she turned to walking in nature and developed a simple reflective practice centered around five questions: Gratitude, Release, Accept, Challenge and Embrace. What began as a personal way to navigate one of the most difficult seasons of her life ultimately became Grace Trail, a growing network around the US of more than 40 self-guided walking trails designed to help people process life's challenges, reduce stress, and reconnect with hope.

Website: https://www.gracetrail.com

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/gracetrailofficial

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@Grace_Trail

ABOUT CHELSEY

Chelsey Brooke Cole is a licensed psychotherapist and Certified Partner Trauma Therapist helping you learn to trust yourself again after narcissistic abuse. She is the bestselling author of If Only I'd Known! and host of the Restoring Resilience podcast. Her work has been featured in USA Today, HuffPost, Psychology Today, and other media outlets.

For those looking for deeper support, Chelsey works with survivors through 1:1 therapy and Rewired for Resilience: Reclaiming Yourself After Narcissistic Abuse. The program offers a structured healing process with direct access to Chelsey, weekly support groups, and ongoing community support. Visit www.chelseybrookecole.com to learn more about working with Chelsey, Rewired for Resilience, and her other resources.

Chelsey's Resources

If this episode resonated with you, here are a few ways to go deeper:

Free Masterclass: The Narcissist's PlaybookUnderstand the exact patterns narcissists use—and why it's so hard to see clearly when you're in it

👉 https://www.chelseybrookecole.com/the-narcissists-playbook/

Free Quizzes: Is It Narcissistic Abuse? Not sure what you're dealing with? Take a free 2-minute quiz to get clarity now

👉 https://www.chelseybrookecole.com/quizzes/

Rewired for Resilience (Healing Program)Go beyond awareness and start rebuilding self-trust, emotional safety, and clarity from the inside out

👉 https://www.chelseybrookecole.com/rewired-for-resilience/

Read the First Chapter of My Book (Free)

👉 https://www.chelseybrookecole.com/firstchapterfree/

Website

👉 https://www.chelseybrookecole.com/

Chapters

(00:00) Walking Off an Invisible War

(01:17) Meet Anne Jolles, Grace Trail Founder

(02:06) The Kitchen Moment

(03:00) The Five GRACE Questions

(04:34) Where Do You Walk Off Your War?

(07:34) Not Therapy, but Your Own Answers

(09:14) The Cascading Effect

(11:06) How Abuse Silences Your Inner Voice

(12:00) Gratitude Without Minimizing

(16:12) Glimmers vs. Triggers

(18:11) Chris's Story

(23:04) One Breath at a Time

(24:05) Release: What's in Your Control

(26:33) Acceptance Is a Spectrum

(27:36) Where Hope Begins

(30:04) Growing Up With an Alcoholic Parent

(32:01) How Grace Trail Has Grown

(35:47) The Grace Trail Kit

(37:00) One Thing to Start Today

(39:38) Where to Find Grace Trail

If you've been told that forgiving a narcissist means letting them back in, dropping your anger, or acting like what they did wasn't that bad — that isn't forgiveness, and believing it is what keeps most survivors stuck.

In part two of this series on forgiveness and narcissistic abuse, Chelsey answers the question underneath all of it: what does forgiveness actually mean, and is it even necessary for healing?

The reframe: the narcissist genuinely does owe you. The lying, the manipulation, the years spent convincing you that you were the problem — that created a real debt, and you have every right to be repaid. But you can't force repayment from someone who refuses to acknowledge the debt exists. Forgiveness isn't pretending it was never owed. It's releasing yourself from the job of being the debt collector.

This episode covers what forgiveness is not, why waiting for the apology keeps you tied to them long after the relationship ended, the ancient meaning of the word Jesus used for forgiveness and why it lands whether or not you're religious, and the quiet signs that you may already be forgiving without ever calling it that.

You don't have to choose between letting them back in and carrying this forever.

ABOUT CHELSEY

Chelsey Brooke Cole is a licensed psychotherapist and Certified Partner Trauma Therapist helping you learn to trust yourself again after narcissistic abuse. She is the bestselling author of If Only I'd Known! and host of the Restoring Resilience podcast. Her work has been featured in USA Today, HuffPost, Psychology Today, and other media outlets.

For those looking for deeper support, Chelsey works with survivors through 1:1 therapy and Rewired for Resilience: Reclaiming Yourself After Narcissistic Abuse. The program offers a structured healing process with direct access to Chelsey, weekly support groups, and ongoing community support. Visit www.chelseybrookecole.com to learn more about working with Chelsey, Rewired for Resilience, and her other resources.

Chelsey's Resources

If this episode resonated with you, here are a few ways to go deeper:

Free Masterclass: The Narcissist's Playbook Understand the exact patterns narcissists use—and why it's so hard to see clearly when you're in it

👉 https://www.chelseybrookecole.com/the-narcissists-playbook/

Free Quizzes: Is It Narcissistic Abuse? Not sure what you're dealing with? Take a free 2-minute quiz to get clarity now

👉 https://www.chelseybrookecole.com/quizzes/

Rewired for Resilience (Healing Program) Go beyond awareness and start rebuilding self-trust, emotional safety, and clarity from the inside out

👉 https://www.chelseybrookecole.com/rewired-for-resilience/

Read the First Chapter of My Book (Free)

👉 https://www.chelseybrookecole.com/firstchapterfree/

Website

👉 https://www.chelseybrookecole.com/

Chapters

(0:00) Introduction

(1:47) What forgiveness is NOT

(2:53) What researchers actually measure

(4:30) The narcissist does owe you a debt

(5:14) What to do with a debt that's never repaid

(6:19) Apheimi: to release, to cancel a debt

(6:51) Releasing isn't denying it happened

(8:06) Signs you may already be forgiving

(9:56) What do you want to carry forward?

(11:15) Rewrite for Resilience

"You need to forgive me. I said I was sorry. What more do you want?"

If you've heard some version of that — from a narcissist, a family member, or someone who has no idea what you actually lived through — this episode is for you.

In part one of a two-part series, Chelsey Brooke Cole unpacks what's really happening when a narcissist demands your forgiveness. Spoiler: they aren't asking for forgiveness. They're asking for access back into your life, erasure of the consequences, and your silence. And when they wrap that demand in spiritual language, it stops being about the betrayal and starts being about how well you're handling the betrayal.

Chelsey shares her own story — a grandiose first husband, an affair he brought home proof of, and the college professor whose first response to the divorce was "You couldn't make it work?" — before dismantling what forgiveness is not.

Forgiveness is not reconciliation. It's not condoning what happened, minimizing the damage, or feeling warm toward someone who hurt you. It's not letting them back into your home or your heart. And it isn't something you can manufacture on demand because someone told you that you should — in abuse recovery, rushed forgiveness can re-traumatize you by cutting off the grief and anger that genuine healing requires.

If forgiveness has felt impossible, it may be because what you were asked to do was never forgiveness. It was compliance. Those are two very different things.

Part two covers what forgiveness actually is — the research, how psychologists define and study it, and what the Bible actually says versus what you may have been taught it requires. Follow the show so you don't miss it.

No matter where you are in your healing, resilience can be restored.

ABOUT CHELSEY

Chelsey Brooke Cole is a licensed psychotherapist and certified partner trauma therapist helping people trust themselves again after narcissistic abuse. She's the author of the best-selling book If Only I'd Known! How to Outsmart Narcissists, Set Guilt-Free Boundaries, and Create Unshakeable Self-Worth. She hosts the Restoring Resilience podcast and guides survivors to healing through her signature program, Rewired for Resilience: Reclaiming Yourself After Narcissistic Abuse. Her work has been featured in USA Today, HuffPost, Psychology Today, and other media outlets. You can learn more about working with Chelsey or her resources at www.chelseybrookecole.com

Chelsey's Resources

If this episode resonated with you, here are a few ways to go deeper:

Free Masterclass: The Narcissist's Playbook Understand the exact patterns narcissists use—and why it's so hard to see clearly when you're in it

👉 https://www.chelseybrookecole.com/the-narcissists-playbook/

Free Quizzes: Is It Narcissistic Abuse? Not sure what you're dealing with? Take a free 2-minute quiz to get clarity now

👉 https://www.chelseybrookecole.com/quizzes/

Rewired for Resilience (Healing Program) Go beyond awareness and start rebuilding self-trust, emotional safety, and clarity from the inside out 👉 https://www.chelseybrookecole.com/rewired-for-resilience/

Read the First Chapter of My Book (Free)

👉 https://www.chelseybrookecole.com/firstchapterfree/

Website

👉 https://www.chelseybrookecole.com/

(00:00) "If you were a good Christian, you'd let this go"

(00:53) Welcome — what this two-part series covers

(01:26) Do I have to forgive the narcissist to heal?

(02:08) Chelsey's story: the affair and the divorce

(03:06) "You couldn't make it work?"

(04:47) What a genuine request for forgiveness looks like

(05:42) Demand #1: Access back in — the hoover

(06:04) Demand #2: Erasure of consequences

(06:28) Demand #3: Your silence

(07:13) It's not forgiveness they want — it's compliance

(07:37) Why religious conditioning makes this work

(08:00) Forgiveness is NOT reconciliation

(08:54) Not condoning. Not minimizing. Not feeling warm.

(09:38) Why rushed forgiveness re-traumatizes you

(10:35) The one takeaway from part one

(12:12) What to sit with before part two

(13:52) Coming next week

Covert narcissists don't announce themselves. They're pleasant, humble, sometimes the wounded one in the room — and that's exactly why you don't see the abuse coming.

Dr. Les Carter — psychotherapist, bestselling author, and creator of the Surviving Narcissism YouTube channel — joins me to break down the covert presentation of narcissism and the mind games that come with it.

They cover why covert narcissists are so convincing to everyone outside the relationship and so different inside it, why their niceness is selective rather than genuine, and how a transactional mindset turns your empathy, conscientiousness, and willingness to self-reflect into tools they use against you.

Dr. Carter unpacks the quieter forms of abuse survivors tend to minimize — silent treatment, withholding, coldness, passive aggression — along with the victim reframe ("you're hurting me" rather than "I'm struggling"), imperative thinking that creates the eggshell walk, manipulative compliments, and triangulation.

The second half turns toward recovery: pairing empathy with objectivity, defining the characteristics you actually want to live by, practicing calm confidence instead of pleading your case, and building the self-trust that lets you stop defending, explaining, and personalizing.

ABOUT DR. CARTER

Dr. Les Carter is a licensed psychotherapist specializing in narcissism and personality dynamics, with a B.A. from Baylor University and a Ph.D. from the University of North Texas. He is the author of 20 books and has led numerous seminars and workshops on recognizing and recovering from narcissistic relationships.

He is the creator of the YouTube channel Surviving Narcissism, with over 145 million views, and connects with audiences on Instagram, Facebook, and www.survivingnarcissism.tv.

Connect with Dr. Carter

www.survivingnarcissism.tv

ABOUT CHELSEY

Chelsey Brooke Cole is a licensed psychotherapist and certified partner trauma therapist helping people trust themselves again after narcissistic abuse. She's the author of the best-selling book If Only I'd Known! How to Outsmart Narcissists, Set Guilt-Free Boundaries, and Create Unshakeable Self-Worth. She hosts the Restoring Resilience podcast and guides survivors to healing through her signature program, Rewired for Resilience: Reclaiming Yourself After Narcissistic Abuse. Her work has been featured in USA Today, HuffPost, Psychology Today, and other media outlets. You can learn more about working with Chelsey or her resources at www.chelseybrookecole.com

Chelsey's Resources

If this episode resonated with you, here are a few ways to go deeper:

Free Masterclass: The Narcissist's Playbook Understand the exact patterns narcissists use—and why it's so hard to see clearly when you're in it

👉 https://www.chelseybrookecole.com/the-narcissists-playbook/

Free Quizzes: Is It Narcissistic Abuse? Not sure what you're dealing with? Take a free 2-minute quiz to get clarity now

👉 https://www.chelseybrookecole.com/quizzes/

Rewired for Resilience (Healing Program) Go beyond awareness and start rebuilding self-trust, emotional safety, and clarity from the inside out

👉 https://www.chelseybrookecole.com/rewired-for-resilience/

Read the First Chapter of My Book (Free)

👉 https://www.chelseybrookecole.com/firstchapterfree/

Website

👉 https://www.chelseybrookecole.com/

CHAPTERS

(00:00) What You See Isn't What You Get

(00:27) Meet Dr. Les Carter

(06:15) What "Covert" Really Means

(09:45) Nice to Them, Cold to You

(10:10) Transactional, Not Relational

(15:42) Your Best Traits, Weaponized

(18:44) Neglect Is Abuse

(19:45) Emptying You of You

(20:30) "You're Hurting Me"

(21:32) Trauma Bonding

(25:47) The Manipulative Compliment

(26:56) The Eggshell Walk

(29:02) Mind Over Emotion

(36:21) Self-Trust

(39:16) Where to Find Dr. Carter