Most debates on poverty focus on small reforms to America’s welfare system. But what if the system itself is the problem?

On this episode, Nic Dunn sits down with author and AEI scholar Charles Murray to discuss his bold proposal to replace the welfare state with a universal basic income. They explore why incremental change may no longer be enough, how current policies can trap people in poverty, what real upward mobility could look like in America, and how other programs, like empowerment accounts, stack up against UBI.

Show notes:

• In Our Hands: A Plan to Replace the Welfare State

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