On this week's episode of TheFallenState TV, host Jesse Lee Peterson is joined by Rev. Dr. Jacqui Lewis, Senior Minister of Middle Collegiate Church in New York City.  She is an activist and also the author of "Fierce Love: A Bold Path to Ferocious Courage and Rule-Breaking Kindness That Can Heal the World."  In this interview, Jesse and Dr. Lewis discuss her book and what it means to have "ferocious courage."  They also get into: why is American culture so divided?  What is the solution that will finally bring everyone together?  Jesse and Dr. Lewis strongly disagree on the founding of America, Trump and Obama, who is to blame for the current state of race relations, and more. You don't want to miss it!