When Renee Good was shot by an ICE agent in Minneapolis, her last words were "That's fine, dude. I'm not mad at you." From the mouth of the Mississippi in New Orleans, this sermon asks: Why do these martyrdoms keep happening at the headwaters? What teaching is flowing downstream? And can we learn to see with nous—the eye of the heart—instead of just eyesight? A messy, imperfect, and incomplete meditation on sacred geography, the Gospel of Mary, and the impossible choice to refuse dehumanization.

Melanie Weller and Stephanie Drury discuss the weaponization of love and the legacy of James Dobson, founder of Focus on the Family. They explore how Dobson's teachings on spanking and authoritarian parenting influenced generations, linking it to broader cultural and religious issues. They delve into the neuroscience of charismatic leadership, highlighting the role of the ventromedial prefrontal cortex in reinforcing beliefs and reducing self-doubt. They also touch on the impact of early childhood trauma on neurological development and the broader societal implications of authoritarian beliefs. The conversation concludes with reflections on the power dynamics in relationships and the importance of internal authority.

• Stephanie Drury's Introduction and Background 0:01
• Melanie Weller introduces Stephanie Drury, highlighting her work as a Seattle-based writer and social commentator on American Evangelical culture.
• Stephanie's platform, "Stuff Christian Culture Likes," offers a satirical yet insightful examination of Christian communities through memes and personal reflections.
• Melanie shares her long-term admiration for Stephanie's work, tracing their connection back to the early days of Twitter.
• Stephanie expresses surprise at Melanie's long-term following and reminisces about the transition to Instagram.
• Religious Trauma and Personal Experiences 1:47
• Melanie discusses her interest in religious trauma and its evolution, mentioning her background as a physical therapist and her work with patients dealing with suicide ideation.
• Melanie shares her personal experience of being forced to mouth words in choir and her ongoing connection with Mary Magdalene retreats.
• Melanie highlights the lack of organized training for professionals in dealing with religious trauma and the incompleteness of somatic-based practices.
• Stephanie begins to share her own journey, mentioning her emotional breakdown at age 30 and the move away from her family, which included Baptist preachers.
• Therapy and Spiritual Abuse Dynamics 5:13
• Stephanie describes her first experience with therapy, which was facilitated by a therapist familiar with spiritual abuse dynamics.
• She mentions the influence of Dan Allender and the Seattle School of Theology and Psychology on her therapist's approach.
• Stephanie discusses the natural response to spiritual abuse, which often involves rejecting faith entirely, and her struggle to balance this with maintaining a connection to faith.
• Melanie and Stephanie discuss the importance of community and the fundamental need for connection, even if it means sacrificing one's essence.
• Family Dynamics and Emotional Control 14:17
• Stephanie reflects on her family dynamics, noting the control and emotional abuse she experienced growing up.
• She describes the difficulty of recognizing dysfunction in peaceful families and the insidious nature of neglect.
• Melanie shares her own experiences of emotional invalidation by her mother and the impact it had on her ability to express her feelings.
• Stephanie emphasizes the importance of acknowledging and validating emotions, even if they are not traditionally considered "happy."
• Spiritual Bypassing and Somatic Bypassing 23:45
• Melanie and Stephanie discuss the concept of spiritual bypassing and how it relates to somatic bypassing, which involves ignoring or invalidating one's inner authority.
• Stephanie shares a story about a friend who struggled with emotional validation and the impact of invalidation on mental health.
• Melanie highlights the protective nature of spirituality and the importance of personal devotion for mental and physical health.
• They discuss the role of nervous system regulation in religious and secular settings and the shift towards somatic practices for stress management.
• Community and Healing 30:07
• Melanie and Stephanie explore the importance of community in healing and the challenges of finding a supportive group.
• Stephanie shares her experience with Al-Anon meetings and the realization that religion can be treated like a substance.
• Melanie discusses the benefits of group healing demonstrations and the impact of community on individual healing.
• They reflect on the difficulty of revealing oneself to close family members compared to strangers and the importance of finding a safe space for healing.
• The Role of Humor and Satire in Healing 1:13:51
• Stephanie explains how humor and satire on her Instagram page help her cope with the absurdity of certain religious practices.
• Melanie and Stephanie discuss the disarming nature of laughter and its ability to reset the vagus nerve and mindset.
• They explore the power of questions in dismantling the addiction to being right and encouraging a more open-minded approach.
• Stephanie shares her admiration for Byron Katie's approach to turning thoughts around and the transformative impact it can have.
• The Vision for Religious Trauma Healing 1:15:00
• Stephanie envisions a world where religion does not need to control individuals and where love and self-acceptance are the foundation for healing.
• She emphasizes the importance of starting with oneself and the ripple effect of self-love on the broader community.
• Melanie and Stephanie discuss the potential for group healing initiatives and the power of creating safe spaces for emotional expression.
• They reflect on the intergenerational impact of trauma and the importance of addressing spiritual wounds for complete healing.
• The Role of Astrology and Personal Mythology 1:15:50
• Melanie shares her journey into astrology and how it helped her understand her life experiences and karmic backstory.
• They discuss the concept of the lost child in family dynamics and how it relates to Melanie's role in her family.
• Stephanie and Melanie explore the scientific and metaphysical aspects of astrology and its potential for providing deep insights into one's identity.
• They reflect on the importance of creating personal rituals and finding meaning in one's story for healing and growth.
• The Power of Love and Self-Compassion 1:16:24
• Stephanie emphasizes the transformative power of love and self-compassion in healing from religious trauma.
• She shares her personal experience of receiving love and how it helped her find a sense of purpose and direction.
• Melanie and Stephanie discuss the importance of forgiveness, both for oneself and others, in the healing process.
• They reflect on the challenges of reconnecting with one's inner child and the importance of self-care in fostering self-compassion.
• The Future of Religious Trauma Healing 1:17:41
• Stephanie envisions a future where religious trauma healing is widespread and individuals are empowered to take care of themselves.
• They discuss the potential for community-based healing initiatives and the importance of creating safe spaces for emotional expression.
• Melanie and Stephanie reflect on the intergenerational impact of trauma and the importance of addressing spiritual wounds for complete healing.
• They emphasize the ripple effect of self-love and the potential for healing on a larger scale, including family lines, communities, and the world.

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