Dave Ross talks with award-winning poet and MacArthur Fellow Richard Kenney, a professor at the University of Washington. His new book of poetry, Terminator, examines how one should navigate the challenges of our modern world (with wit, and a bit of humor).

They read several of Kenney's poems aloud, including an unpublished one about our "Commander in Tweet," and discuss the risk Kenney took years ago to become a poet. Can poetry really be taught, and how do you know if you're any good?