Sam talks with historian Rick Perlstein, author of multiple books about the US conservative movement including Nixonland, about his latest work on the contemporary era and the nexus between the fascists, the media, and the Democratic Party; what he calls "the infernal triangle." Subscribe to his newsletter at prospect.org and follow him on Twitter at @rickperlstein.

Then, Sam talks to journalist Jennifer Cohn about the full Christian Nationalist theocratic program. Follow her on Twitter at @jennycohn1⁠ and read her writings at crownewsletter.substack.com and buckscountybeacon.com⁠.

Mentioned in this episode:

Democracy Now: ⁠“American Fascism”: Historian Rick Perlstein on Trump’s Grip on the GOP & Chances of a Second Jan. 6

Shocking Online Manifesto Reveals Project 2025’s Link To A Coordinated ‘Christian Nationalism Project’ by Jennifer Cohn
The Far-Right Playbook for American Authoritarianism Project 2025 by Global Project Against Hate and Extremism

Five Four Pod on Trump v Anderson (SCOTUS CO ballot case)

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Music for this episode: Penny the Snitch by Ikebe Shakedown

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