In this episode, Brandon and Nick pour a glass of wine dive into the latest in insurance news. They break down Bill Gates' new essay proposing "Human Reserved" jobs and what that means for the future of work for insurance pros, the Meta social media lawsuit settlement, rising "nuclear verdicts", and the growing E&O exposure from AI liability and deepfakes.

In this episode, Brandon and Nick kick things off with wine talk (a Domaine Serene Pinot Noir vs. a Dry Creek Valley Zinfandel sipped from a coffee mug), a Ted Lasso-inspired mustache update, and a shoutout to their record-breaking episode with guest Ashley Fetyko.

They dig into Meta's mounting legal troubles — nearly $900M in recent verdicts and a $1.4 trillion multi-district case now in jury selection in Oakland — and debate whether social media needs age-gating regulation.

From there it's a run through casualty market headlines: commercial auto combined ratios and nuclear verdicts (including a staggering $300B punitive Texas dram shop verdict), underinsured property values, captives going mainstream (with Alabama raising its formation threshold), AI's cyber-liability blind spots, a new "Sage" AI platform launch, American Family's acquisition of Bowhead, Florida's litigation reform payoff, and the head-scratcher of declining workers' comp rates.

They close with a "Three Truths and a Lie" round on social media adoption stats and this week's recall: over 1.7 million Louisville Ladder attic stairs pulled for bolt-failure risk.

In this episode, Brandon and Nick talk with Ashley Fetyko from Tyson Mendes and Apex Defense Consulting . They deep dive into the rise of nuclear verdicts, the psychological tactics used by plaintiffs' attorneys, and strategies to defend against these high-stakes cases.

Hosts Brandon Schuh and Nick Hartmann return for another episode of RiskCellar, and the headline story is North Carolina litigation financing. North Carolina has become the first state in the country to pass an outright ban on third-party litigation financing, with Governor Josh Stein signing House Bill 315 into law in June 2026. Find out what the law prohibits, why insurance trade groups are celebrating it, and what it could mean for other states.

Beyond the North Carolina litigation financing news, Brandon and Nick cover a data breach at the National Association of Insurance Commissioners, CFC's move to add affirmative AI coverage across seven product lines, the deadly earthquakes that struck Venezuela and the Caribbean, and how Chubb-led marine war risk facilities are easing capacity strain in the Strait of Hormuz. The episode wraps with a Fourth of July round of Three Truths and a Lie.

This episode blends sharp insurance analysis with the hosts' casual banter, making topics like North Carolina litigation financing approachable for brokers and underwriters. Listeners get a fast-moving tour of the week's biggest insurance and legal stories.

• North Carolina is the first state to enact an outright ban on third-party litigation financing.

• House Bill 315 makes it unlawful to engage in or furnish litigation investment in a North Carolina civil proceeding.

• The law took effect July 1, 2026, applying to lawsuits arising on or after that date.

• The Attorney General can enforce the law with penalties up to $50,000 per violation.

• At least 11 other states already have some restrictions on litigation funding.

• NAIC confirmed a breach exposing 3.1 terabytes of data via an Oracle PeopleSoft vulnerability.

• CFC is embedding affirmative AI coverage across seven core product lines.

• Chubb-led marine facilities offer up to $400 million in Strait of Hormuz shipping capacity.

  
  

00:00 Introduction to Claims Auditing and AI Solutions

01:22 Celebrating Achievements in Brokerage

04:38 Wine Tasting and Personal Updates

05:39 Fourth of July Plans and Celebrations

06:39 Political Commentary on National Events

09:11 Litigation Funding Legislation in North Carolina

11:47 Data Breach at NAIC and Its Implications

15:47 Insurance Industry Responses to AI Risks

19:06 Natural Disasters and Their Impact on Insurance

21:29 Geopolitical Commentary on U.S.-Iran Relations

24:39 Insurance Developments in Maritime Risk

28:07 Trivia and Closing Thoughts

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If you've ever wondered what your insurance agency is really worth in today's market, and whether now is the right time to sell, this episode cuts straight to the chase. Brandon Schuh and Nick Hartmann sit down with two sharp industry voices: Varada Bhat, Senior Correspondent at the Financial Times' P&C Specialist, and James Graham, Managing Director at MarshBerry, the nation's leading M&A advisory firm for insurance brokerages. Together, they untangle the intersection of AI disruption, carrier strategy, and brokerage valuations in what is shaping up to be one of the most pivotal moments in the history of independent insurance distribution.

Varada Bhat opens the conversation with a ground-level view of where the personal lines market stands today, transitioning out of a hard market cycle, into a softer, more competitive landscape where carrier retention has become the new growth strategy. She digs into State Farm's sweeping workforce realignment, the broader shift away from the captive agent model across carriers like Allstate and Nationwide, and how AI is splitting the industry into two camps: those stuck in pilot mode and those already deploying agentic AI across claims and operations. The critical takeaway? Underwriting discipline and customer service still matter more than any algorithm.

James Graham follows with the kind of inside-baseball analysis you can only get from someone doing valuation work every single day. He breaks down why private brokerage multiples have held steady even as public broker valuations dropped more than 20% from their March 2025 peak, and why that divergence makes sense. He lays out what buyers are really paying for right now (organic growth, scale, and retention), why the softening market is the real driver of multiple compression, not AI, and why the fundamentals of the insurance brokerage business remain among the strongest of any industry. For agency owners wondering whether to sell now or wait, his perspective is a must-hear.

Chapters

• 00:00 Introduction 

• 04:47 Varada Bhat Interview Begins: P&C Market Overview

• 06:28 Carrier Retention as the New Growth Strategy

• 07:24 AI in Insurance: Pilot Phase vs. Deployed Reality

• 09:48 State Farm, Allstate & the Decline of Captive Agents

• 11:55 AI Automation: Simple vs. Complex Insurance Products

• 14:22 Lemonade, Root & the Insuretech Valuation Reality Check

• 16:55 Geico Hires Goldman Sachs CMO: UX and Millennial Strategy

• 19:47 AI Regulation in Insurance: NAIC Guidelines & State Laws

• 21:33 Who's Best Positioned to Win the AI Era?

• 24:40 Personal Cyber Policies & Consumer Data Privacy

• 26:23 Insurance Affordability as a Political Issue

• 32:29 James Graham Interview Begins: MarshBerry Origin Story

• 34:35 Public vs. Private Broker Valuation Divergence

• 39:16 What Buyers Are Really Looking For Today: Organic Growth

• 41:55 Private Equity Activity: Strategic vs. Dry Powder Deals

• 43:58 EBITDA Multiples: Are 11-12x the New Normal?

• 46:06 Debt Leverage, Hold Times & PE Exit Bottlenecks

• 48:02 AI's Role in Brokerage Multiple Compression

• 50:10 Revenue Per Employee & the AI Productivity Argument

• 52:58 Regulation as Insurance's AI Moat

• 55:26 Client Retention Post-Acquisition: What Really Drives It

• 57:48 2026–2027 Outlook: Will Big Blockbuster Deals Continue?

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James Graham

Website: https://www.marshberry.com/about/our-team/james-graham/

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/james-graham-b91a5214

Varada Bhat

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/varada-bhat

Brandon Schuh:

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Nick Hartmann:

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RiskCellar is back with a packed episode that feels like the insurance industry itself, equal parts serious and unfiltered. Brandon Schuh and Nick Hartmann sit down to unpack a week that saw some of the biggest AI-driven headlines to hit the P&C space in recent memory. From a massive brokerage laying off 2,300 employees and blaming AI, to a CNN lawsuit targeting an AI search engine, to an InsurTech startup valued at $2.6 billion on just $40 million in revenue, nothing about this week is normal. And that's exactly the point.

The episode digs into the Acrisure story, where roughly 2,300 jobs are being cut, the second round of layoffs in a single year, with AI cited as the primary driver. Brandon and Nick do the math. At $300,000 average revenue per employee, that's a $690 million bet on AI's ability to fill the gap. They zoom out to connect this to the broader PE pressure story, exits, soft markets, rising interest rates, and a potential IPO on the horizon. The conversation doesn't stop there. New York State's newly signed auto insurance tort reform law gets a thorough breakdown, including the new $100,000 cap on non-economic damages and tightened comparative negligence thresholds that could finally start moving the needle on affordability. And the CNN vs. Perplexity lawsuit opens a bigger conversation about AI as a derivative product, one that can't function without the journalism it may ultimately be destroying.

Rounding out the news block is a closer look at Corgi, the AI-focused MGA that just raised at a $2.6 billion valuation despite generating only $40 million in revenue, a 65x multiple that leaves both hosts scratching their heads. Brandon draws a pointed parallel to boutique consulting firms now competing with McKinsey-sized players thanks to AI tools, a trend with direct implications for insurance brokerages of every size. The episode wraps with a "Three Truths and a Lie" segment on classic TV shows and a round of Simpsons trivia, staying true to the show's blend of sharp industry analysis and genuine conversation between two people who genuinely enjoy talking shop.

Takeaways:

• Acrisure's 2,300-person layoff represents a \(690M\) bet that AI can replace human production capacity.
• PE-backed brokerages are under compounding pressure from soft markets, rising rates, and IPO timelines.
• New York's auto tort reform caps non-economic damages at \(100,000\) and tightens comparative negligence rules.
• AI is a derivative product, it depends on journalism and original content to function.
• CNN filed suit against Perplexity for alleged copyright infringement in New York federal court.
• Corgi's \(2.6B\) valuation at \(65\times\) revenue raises serious questions about InsurTech market rationality.
• Boutique brokerages now have the firepower of Aon or Marsh thanks to accessible AI tools.
• Alleged class action litigation is brewing against a PE-backed brokerage over unpaid producer compensation.

Chapters:

00:00 Welcome to RiskCellar

2:45 Big News Tease + What Are You Drinking?

4:00 Memorial Day Weekend Recaps

7:38 This Week's AI Theme Intro

8:00 Acrisure Layoffs: The \(690M\) AI Bet

17:30 Sponsor Break: IPFS + freeflow.ai

17:4 CNN vs. Perplexity: AI and Journalism's Collision

21:05 Corgi's \(2.6B\) Valuation and the InsurTech Bubble

23:30 Boutique vs. McKinsey: AI Levels the Consulting Playing Field

27:10 SpaceX IPO, Elon Musk, and Market Insanity

29:00 Howden TROs and Industry Legal Wars

30:38 Three Truths and a Lie: Classic TV Edition

32:17 Simpsons Trivia: First 100 Episodes

33:57 Upcoming Guests and Episode Wrap

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Brandon Schuh:

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Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/schuhpapa/

Nick Hartmann:

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nickjhartmann/

The insurance industry is shifting fast, and this episode of RiskCellar doesn't let a single headline slide. Hosts Brandon Schuh and Nick Hartmann are back in the cellar breaking down three of the most talked-about stories in the industry right now. The Rad Power Bikes wrongful death lawsuit and what it means for micro-mobility product liability, the escalating legal fallout from Howden's alleged broker raid on Brown & Brown, and the accelerating softening of the reinsurance market that's reshaping valuations across the board. Plus a deep dive on the collapse of litigation finance as an asset class, and why that might matter more than anyone's admitting.

Brandon brings his front-row seat at the Christensen Group specialty desk to every story, and Nick matches him stride for stride with sharp market observations from the field. The episode covers the wrongful death suit filed by Shannon Stephens against Rad Power Bikes after an e-bike lithium-ion battery fire in an Alabama garage on January 3, 2025, killed her husband, Dr. Keith Stephens. Brandon unpacks the legal complexity of successor liability after Rad Power's bankruptcy, notes that the company's assets were reacquired for roughly $13 million, and questions whether the evidence standard will meet the plaintiff's burden given expert testimony that focused on design containment, not outright defect. The CPSC's intervention requiring UL certification for e-bike batteries is also examined in the context of legacy stock.

The second half of the episode is equally dense. Brandon and Nick dissect the Brown & Brown vs. Howden broker raid litigation, including a new Minnesota temporary restraining order barring 16 former Brown & Brown employees now at Howden from soliciting clients or recruiting staff. With $31 million in business allegedly lost and Howden carrying roughly $5 billion in total debt against a $3 billion revenue base, the guys ask tough questions about runway and financial viability. They also explore the quiet implosion of litigation finance as an asset class, Burford Capital's 47% stock drop on a single day after a $16.1 billion Argentina judgment was overturned in a US appeals court being the centerpiece moment, alongside JP Morgan's latest analysis calling for continued reinsurance price softening into 2027. It's a dense, entertaining, and genuinely insightful look at where the market stands right now.

Key Takeaways:

• Rad Power Bikes faces a wrongful death lawsuit tied to a lithium-ion battery thermal runaway event in January 2025
• Successor liability questions are unresolved, old entity is defunct; assets were acquired for ~$13M in bankruptcy
• Brown & Brown obtained a Minnesota TRO barring 16 former employees at Howden from soliciting clients or staff
• Brown & Brown disclosed ~$31M in lost business from the Howden broker raid on a recent earnings call
• Howden carries approximately $5B in debt against a ~$3B broker revenue base, a tight leverage position

Chapters:

00:00 Introduction

01:55 Banter, Travel & Industry Events

09:45 Rad Power Bikes Wrongful Death Lawsuit

14:05 E-Bike Battery Safety, CPSC & UL Certification

17:25 Brown & Brown vs. Howden, Broker Raid Update

20:55 Howden's Debt Load & Financial Runway

24:05 Property Rate Softening, Real Numbers from the Field

26:40 Deductible Buy-Down Policies & Adverse Selection Risk

29:45 Litigation Finance Collapse, Burford Capital & Argentina

37:40 JP Morgan: Reinsurance Softening Into 2027

39:15 Three Truths and a Lie: Space Edition

47:00 AI at Insurance Innovators Conference

51:25 Data Centers in Space? Cooling Logistics Debate

52:45 Wrap-Up & Cheers

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Brandon Schuh

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/brandon-stephen-schuh

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/schuhpapa

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=61552710523314

Nick Hartmann

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nickjhartmann

Rusty Field, President & CEO of Evenstad Estates (home of Domaine Serene), joins RiskCellar hosts Brandon Schuh and Nick Hartmann for a side-by-side tasting of four wines, two from Burgundy and two from Oregon's Willamette Valley. Rusty shares the career journey that took him from United Health Group and Ameriprise Financial to Upsher-Smith Laboratories, and ultimately to leading one of America's most awarded wineries.

The episode covers the science of winemaking. Why Pinot Noir thrives at the 45th parallel in both Oregon and Burgundy, how French oak barrels protect wine through tight grain structure, and why the 2022 Evenstad Reserve Chardonnay won Best Wine by Quality at the 2025 Sommeliers Choice Awards. Rusty breaks down the difference between volcanic Jory soil in the Dundee Hills and Burgundy's limestone-rich gravel terroir.

The back half pivots to the 2020 Oregon wildfire vintage, frost candles in Burgundy, mildew wiping out 70% of the 2024 Côte de Nuit crop, and how Evenstad uses library wine inventory as a hedge. Rusty closes with an open invitation to connect on LinkedIn for insider travel guides to both wine regions.

Key Takeaways

• The 45th parallel creates nearly identical growing seasons in Oregon and Burgundy, ideal for Pinot Noir

• 2022 Evenstad Reserve Chardonnay: Best Wine by Quality, 2025 Sommeliers Choice Awards (96 pts)

• French oak's tight grain allows controlled oxygen exchange, Pinot Noir ages 14–18 months, Chardonnay ~12

• Mildew destroyed 70% of 2024 Côte de Nuit crop; 2020 wildfire smoke taint exposed limits of crop insurance

• ~7,200-member wine club drives ~50% D2C revenue, unusually high for the industry

• All Evenstad vineyards are dry-farmed and transitioning to full organic certification

• Rusty offers personal LinkedIn insider travel guidance for Burgundy and Oregon wine country

Chapters

00:00 Welcome & Guest Introduction

01:00 How Rusty Joined the Evenstad Family

04:48 Pharma to Wine: The Career Pivot

08:32 Oregon vs. Burgundy Tasting Lineup

09:00 First Pour, Château de la Crée "Les Graviers" White Burgundy

12:56 Serving Temperature & Chardonnay Chemistry

16:58 French Oak Barrel Aging Explained

21:52 Second Pour, 2022 Evenstad Reserve Chardonnay (Oregon)

23:53 Oregon as a Premier Wine Region

28:42 Third Pour, Domaine Evenstad "Le Fusselot" Chambolle-Musigny

30:19 Evenstad's Expansion into Burgundy

35:07 Wine Club: 7,200 Members & D2C Strategy

38:06 Fourth Pour, 2022 Evenstad Reserve Pinot Noir

41:33 The 45th Parallel: Why Oregon Mirrors Burgundy

43:16 Dry Farming, Organics & Sustainability

45:12 Two Truths & A Lie: Wine History

48:38 Climate Risk: Fire, Frost, Hail & Disease

50:24 The 2020 Wildfire Vintage & Insurance Challenges

54:24 Parametric Coverage & Future-Proofing

57:07 Joining the Domaine Serene Wine Club

59:47 Rusty's LinkedIn Offer: Insider Wine Country Guide

01:00:09 Closing & Teaser for Episode Two at the Winery

Connect with RiskCellar:

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Rusty Field:

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rustyfield/

Website: https://www.domaineserene.com/about/team/rusty-field

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Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/schuhpapa/

Nick Hartmann:

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nickjhartmann/ 

What do Big Tobacco, social media algorithms, and the Strait of Hormuz have in common? They're all reshaping insurance right now. In this episode of RiskCellar, Brandon and Nick crack open a bottle and break down the insurance angles behind the biggest stories of 2026, Meta's landmark social media liability ruling, nuclear verdicts hitting record highs, and a first-of-its-kind federal ruling on AI and attorney-client privilege.

Brandon and Nick call Meta's social media addiction verdict a "Big Tobacco moment" for tech, and break down why courts ruled insurance coverage doesn't apply. They unpack the latest nuclear verdict data showing a 300%+ rise since 2015, cover Chubb and the USDFC building a government-backed Strait of Hormuz insurance facility, and discuss Uber's emerging role as the "Apple App Store of autonomy" in the autonomous vehicle space.

The standout legal story is U.S. v. Heppner, the first federal ruling confirming AI chatbot conversations are not protected by attorney-client privilege. They close with a sharp conversation on truth as the future's most valuable commodity and Three Truths and a Lie: UK Edition.

Key Takeaways

• Meta's social media verdict is a "Big Tobacco moment", but damages may not be big enough to change behavior
• Courts ruled Meta's conduct was intentional, so insurers don't have to cover the verdict
• Nuclear verdicts are up 300%+ since 2015, tort reform is gaining steam but remains gridlocked
• Chubb + USDFC are building a TRIA-style facility for ships navigating the Strait of Hormuz
• U.S. v. Heppner confirmed AI chatbot conversations are NOT protected by attorney-client privilege
• Uber controls ~70% of U.S. ride-share access, likely the gatekeeper of autonomous vehicle adoption
• AI tools are cutting insurance submission time from hours to minutes, use enterprise versions for data privacy

Timestamps

00:00 Cold Open & Weekend Catch-Up

06:18 Wine of the Night: Liquid Farm Pinot & Callejon Malbec

09:41 Pricing Corrections & Commercial Loss Development

12:41 Autonomous Vehicles & Uber's Role as Gatekeeper

19:50 Meta's Big Tobacco Moment: Social Media Liability

27:17 Data Privacy, App Permissions & the GM Controversy

29:35 Iran, Strait of Hormuz & Insurance Implications

41:19 Nuclear Verdicts: 300% Rise & Tort Reform

48:35 U.S. v. Heppner: AI Chats Are Not Privileged

51:10 AI Rent Pricing Antitrust Case

54:18 Truth as the Commodity of the Future

56:37 Three Truths and a Lie: UK Edition

Fact Checks (Corrections only)

• Meta verdict total: The $14–20B figure discussed refers to MDL settlement estimates for 42,000+ plaintiffs. The first individual bellwether trial (March 25, 2026, L.A.) awarded $6M to one plaintiff, $3M compensatory + $3M punitive, against Meta and YouTube
• Nuclear verdicts baseline: The 300% rise most accurately tracks 2020–2023. In 2024: 135 nuclear verdicts totaling $31.3B, up 116% year-over-year
• Texas renewables: Hosts self-corrected live. Accurate figure is ~37–40% wind + solar (not 78%) as of 2025
• U.S. v. Heppner: Confirmed, Feb 10, 2026, Judge Rakoff (S.D.N.Y.) ruled AI chatbot conversations with public tools are NOT attorney-client privileged

Connect with RiskCellar:

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Brandon Schuh:

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LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/brandon-stephen-schuh/

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/schuhpapa/

Nick Hartmann:

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nickjhartmann/

Brandon Schuh and Nick Hartmann welcome John Neve, outside counsel at Quantum Lex, for a candid conversation about artificial intelligence's legal frontier. They explore how law firms treat large language models like efficient first-year associates requiring strict oversight, why public AI tools remain risky for sensitive client data, and real cases where lawyers faced sanctions for submitting court filings with hallucinated case law. The discussion reveals practical guardrails emerging as firms navigate AI adoption while protecting attorney-client privilege.

The conversation shifts to digital privacy after Brandon shares insights from Signal CEO Meredith Whittaker's recent interview. John explains why Signal's end-to-end metadata encryption differs fundamentally from WhatsApp's partial protection, and how AI prompt data creates new liability surfaces when users input client information into public models. They examine chilling recent cases where judges ordered defendants to surrender AI research logs to prosecutors based on platform terms of service, a warning for professionals using consumer tools for legal work.

Wrapping up, the team analyzes three interconnected risk vectors. Autonomous vehicle disruption threatening 2 million U.S. trucking jobs, Strait of Hormuz shipping lane volatility following geopolitical tensions, and $30 billion in market cap erosion across insurance brokers amid AI disruption fears. John argues product liability law must evolve to address AI-caused harms while Brandon notes mid-market agencies may actually benefit as PE-backed competitors struggle to maintain growth models in this new environment.

Key Takeaways

• Treat AI tools like efficient junior associates requiring thorough human review before client delivery
• Public LLMs lack sufficient guardrails for attorney-client privileged information
• Multiple U.S. lawyers have received monetary sanctions for filing pleadings with AI-hallucinated case law

Episode Chapters

00:00 Introduction and Guest Background

01:19 Proof of Law Podcast Focus

02:52 AI Productivity Gains in Legal Practice

06:21 Data Sensitivity in Law Firms

09:02 AI Hallucinations and Court Sanctions

13:30 Privacy Apps Compared

18:20 Legislative Guardrails Needed

22:45 Product Liability for AI Harms

27:28 Agent-Based Internet Future

30:00 Geopolitical Shipping Risks

36:54 Tariff Refund Rulings

40:00 Insurance Market Volatility

47:40 Two Truths and a Lie

Fact Checks

Claim: $30 billion insurance market cap destruction solely due to AI. Correction: Partially false. The actual market cap loss attributable to the AI-driven selloff was approximately $20–$25 billion, not $30 billion. The word "solely" is also inaccurate — AI was the trigger, but structural valuation issues and cascading investor fear contributed significantly. The $30 billion figure appears to be a rounded-up mashup of multiple distinct metrics (market cap losses, commission risk, and automation potential) that are being conflated.

Claim: Federal court ordered $120 billion tariff refund. Correction: The underlying event is real, a federal court did order the refund process to begin after the Supreme Court struck down Trump's IEEPA tariffs. But "$120 billion" is not the correct figure (it's $130–175 billion by most estimates), and the court did not order a lump-sum $120 billion payment. It ordered CBP to begin recalculating duties owed, the actual refund amounts are still being determined through ongoing litigation.

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Guest: John Neve

Website: https://www.quantumlex.io/john-neve/

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/johnneve/

Brandon Schuh:

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=61552710523314

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/brandon-stephen-schuh/

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/schuhpapa/

Nick Hartmann:

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nickjhartmann/