Taylor Hokanson and Rob Ray hosted the super creative Opposable Thumbs podcast which challenged the hosts and a guest to solve a creative problem every two weeks. They've taken a break from the podcast but they are still out there spreading the good word about being a creative weirdo at Columbia College and Cal State San Benardino. We learn why teaching is like being the captain of a pirate ship.

Check out Taylor on Instagram and https://www.finewiththis.site/

Check out Rob at https://shimmeringtrashpile.com/ and https://kdzu.org/