John welcomes New York Times scribe Robert Draper and Atlantic staff writer and podcast host David Frum to discuss the political reverberations from the fatal shooting of right-wing activist Charlie Kirk. Draper joins the show from Kirk’s home base in Arizona, and assesses the impact of the shooting on those who revered him in the MAGA movement and the future of the organization he founded, Turning Point USA. Meanwhile, Frum takes stock of how the Trump administration is moving aggressively to advance its broader agenda in the wake of Kirk’s assassination, and of FBI Director Kash Patel’s contentious back-to-back appearances before oversight committees in the Senate and House this week.

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