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- 11. Out of Darkness (Part 2: Close Reading)
We do a close reading of Out of Darkness by Ashley Hope Pérez. First published in 2015, Out of Darkness received a 2016 Printz Honor for excellence in young adult literature and won the 2016 Tomás Rivera Book Award and the 2016 Américas Book Award. Out of Darkness was not challenged until 2021, the same year it became the fourth-most-challenged book in the country.
We discuss our opinions of the book's characters, themes, and significance. Please listen to the ninth episode for our interview with the author, Ashley Hope Pérez.
Marian referred to the song "Brave" by Sara Bareilles. You can find the lyrics here: https://genius.com/Sara-bareilles-brave-lyrics.
Thanks to Chris for our music and to Lizzie for our audio editing! Please visit our website for a transcript of this episode.
If you would like to join our conversation, please visit theroguelibrarians.com or follow us on social media. Please consider supporting our podcast on Patreon. We appreciate your support!
Linktree: @roguelibrarianspod
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Twitter: @RLibrarians
Patreon: patreon.com/roguelibrarians
1 hr 10 min - 10. Out of Darkness: Interview with Ashley Hope Pérez
In this special episode, we interview Ashley Hope Pérez, the author of Out of Darkness. First published in 2015, Out of Darkness received a 2016 Printz Honor for excellence in young adult literature and won the 2016 Tomás Rivera Book Award and the 2016 Américas Book Award. Out of Darkness was not challenged until 2021, the same year it became the fourth-most-challenged book in the country.
In the interview, we discuss why Out of Darkness has been banned. We also learn more about Ashley's background, reasons for writing the book, writing process, narrative choices, and experiences before and after the book was banned. We were thrilled to have the opportunity to talk with her.
Please listen to our tenth episode for a close reading of the book's characters, themes, and significance.
To learn more about Ashley Hope Pérez, please visit:
- Her website: ashleyperez.com
- Her linktree: @ashleyhopeperez
- Instagram: @ashleyhopeperez
- Her response to the viral school board meeting video: https://youtube.com/watch?v=z4dNu4UA-As…
Thanks to Chris for our music and to Lizzie for our audio editing! Please visit our website for a transcript of this episode.
If you would like to join our conversation, please visit theroguelibrarians.com or follow us on social media. Please consider supporting our podcast on Patreon. We appreciate your support!
Linktree: @roguelibrarianspod
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Facebook: @roguelibrarianspod
Twitter: @RLibrarians
Patreon: patreon.com/roguelibrarians
1 hr 48 min - 9. Bonus: Legislation Involving Banned Books
In this bonus episode, we discuss current and proposed legislation involving banned books. We mention different forms of censorship; examples of bills and laws that restrict books in schools and public libraries; and ways that we can fight censorship. It is essential that we oppose these types of laws and contact our elected officials.
You can find more information about censorship and organizations that fight it on the Resources page on our website (theroguelibrarians.com/resources).
Some of the sources mentioned in this episode:
- https://bookriot.com/states-that-have-enacted-book-ban-laws-2022/
- https://bookriot.com/book-ban-legislation-2023/
- https://www.slj.com/story/censorship-attempts-will-have-a-long-lasting-impact-on-school-library-collections-slj-survey-shows
- https://www.ala.org/advocacy/intfreedom/censorship
- https://www.ala.org/advocacy/intfreedom#:~:text=ALA%20actively%20advocates%20and%20educates,right%20in%20our%20democratic%20society
- https://www.ala.org/advocacy/fight-censorship?utm_source=ala&utm_medium=topbanner&utm_campaign=redesign
Thanks to Chris for our music and to Lizzie for our audio editing (for all of our episodes)! Please visit our website for a transcript of this episode.
If you would like to join our conversation, please visit theroguelibrarians.com or follow us on social media. Please consider supporting our podcast on Patreon. We appreciate your support!
Linktree: @roguelibrarianspod
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Twitter: @RLibrarians
Patreon: patreon.com/roguelibrarians
1 hr 4 min - 8. Drama (Part 2: Close Reading)
We do a close reading of Drama by Raina Telgemeier, which was the seventh-most-banned book between 2010 and 2019. Drama is notable because it was one of the first graphic novels to include gay characters.
We discuss our opinions of Drama's characters, themes, and significance. Please see Episode 7 for a discussion of why the book has been banned recently.
Thanks to Chris for our music and to Lizzie for our audio editing (for all of our episodes)! Please visit our website for a transcript of this episode.
If you would like to join our conversation, please visit theroguelibrarians.com or follow us on social media. Please consider supporting our podcast on Patreon. We appreciate your support!
Linktree: @roguelibrarianspod
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Facebook: @roguelibrarianspod
Twitter: @RLibrarians
Patreon: patreon.com/roguelibrarians
43 min - 7. Drama (Part 1: Why It's Banned)
We discuss Drama by Raina Telgemeier, which was the seventh-most-banned book between 2010 and 2019. First published in 2012, this graphic novel won the Stonewall Book Award in 2013, in addition to receiving many starred reviews and honors. Drama is notable because it was one of the first graphic novels to include gay characters.
In this episode, we discuss why Drama has been banned. We also offer our assessment of its pros and cons. Please listen to our eighth episode for a close reading of the book's characters, themes, and significance.
Some of the sources mentioned in this episode:
- https://www.commonsensemedia.org/book-reviews/drama
- https://www.slj.com/review/drama
- https://cbldf.org/banned-challenged-comics/case-study-drama/
- https://goodcomicsforkids.slj.com/2017/06/22/interview-raina-telgemeier-on-drama/
- https://www.slj.com/story/just-another-day-in-an-lgbtq-comic
- https://www.glaad.org/about
- https://www.slj.com/story/yalsa-hub-challenge-drama-by-raina-telgemeier
- https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10583-016-9299-x
Thanks to Chris for our music and to Lizzie for our audio editing (for all of our episodes)! Please visit our website for a transcript of this episode.
If you would like to join our conversation, please visit theroguelibrarians.com or follow us on social media. Please consider supporting our podcast on Patreon. We appreciate your support!
Linktree: @roguelibrarianspod
Instagram: @roguelibrarianspod
Facebook: @roguelibrarianspod
Twitter: @RLibrarians
Patreon: patreon.com/roguelibrarians
54 min - 6. Maus (Part 2: Close Reading)
We do a close reading of The Complete Maus: A Survivor's Tale by Art Spiegelman, which made the news after a Tennessee school board voted to remove it from the curriculum in January 2022. We discuss our opinions of the graphic memoir's characters, themes, and significance. Please see Episode 5 for a discussion of why the book has been banned recently.
Thanks to Chris for our music and to Lizzie for our audio editing (for all of our episodes)! Please visit our website for a transcript of this episode.
If you would like to join our conversation, please visit theroguelibrarians.com or follow us on social media. Please consider supporting our podcast on Patreon. We appreciate your support!
Linktree: @roguelibrarianspod
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Facebook: @roguelibrarianspod
Twitter: @RLibrarians
Patreon: patreon.com/roguelibrarians
1 hr 2 min - 5. Maus (Part 1: Why It's Banned)
We discuss The Complete Maus: A Survivor's Tale by Art Spiegelman. First serialized from 1980-1991, Maus recently made the news after a Tennessee school board voted to prevent it from being taught in the district’s classrooms in January 2022. Maus has won several awards, including the Pulitzer Prize, the Harvey Award, and the Eisner Award.
In this episode, we discuss why Spiegelman's graphic memoir has been banned recently. We also offer our assessment of its pros and cons. Please listen to our sixth episode for a close reading of the book's characters, themes, and significance.
For more information on antisemitism (also written as anti-Semitism) and the Holocaust, please visit:
- https://www.holocaustremembrance.com/
- https://www.ushmm.org/antisemitism/what-is-antisemitism
- https://www.adl.org/what-we-do/fight-antisemitism
Some of the sources mentioned in this episode:
- https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/27/us/maus-banned-holocaust-tennessee.html
- https://cbldf.org/banned-challenged-comics/case-study-maus/
- https://www.oif.ala.org/oif/art-spiegelman-speaks-about-maus-and-its-place-in-schools-and-libraries/
- https://sjlmag.com/2022/02/08/maus-author-parental-control-whitewashing-led-to-ban/
- https://pen.org/report/banned-usa-growing-movement-to-censor-books-in-schools/
- https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/antisemitic-incidents-hit-a-record-high-in-2021-whats-behind-the-rise-in-hate
- https://www.holocaustremembrance.com/resources/working-definitions-charters/working-definition-antisemitism
If you would like to join our conversation, please visit theroguelibrarians.com or follow us on social media. Please consider supporting our podcast on Patreon. We appreciate your support!
Linktree: @roguelibrarianspod
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Patreon: patreon.com/roguelibrarians
58 min - 4. The Hate U Give (Part 2: Close Reading)
We do a close reading of The Hate U Give by Angie Thomas, which was the fifth most frequently challenged book in America in 2021. We discuss our opinions of the novel's characters, themes, and significance. Please see Episode 3 for a discussion of why the book has been banned recently.
A note: we wanted to correct a couple of details that we mentioned in the episode. Maya, one of Starr's friends, is Chinese-American. Starr had posted about Emmett Till on Tumblr rather than Instagram.
Some of the sources mentioned in this episode:
- https://www.slj.com/story/the-hate-u-give-by-angie-thomas-slj-review
- https://www.amazon.com/How-Story-Works-elegant-storytelling-ebook/dp/B09NP9MXV7
Thanks to Chris for our music and to Lizzie for our audio editing (for all of our episodes)! Please visit our website for a transcript of this episode.
If you would like to join our conversation, please visit theroguelibrarians.com or follow us on social media. Please consider supporting our podcast on Patreon. We appreciate your support!
Linktree: @roguelibrarianspod
Instagram: @roguelibrarianspod
Facebook: @roguelibrarianspod
Twitter: @RLibrarians
Patreon: patreon.com/roguelibrarians
57 min - 3. The Hate U Give (Part 1: Why It's Banned)
We discuss The Hate U Give by Angie Thomas, which was the fifth most frequently challenged book in America in 2021. First published in 2017, the book was a New York Times bestseller and the recipient of several awards, including the Michael L. Printz Award and the William C. Morris Award.
In this episode, we discuss why Thomas's novel has been banned recently. We also offer our assessment of its pros and cons. Please listen to our fourth episode for a close reading of the book's characters, themes, and significance.
If you would like to join our conversation, please visit www.theroguelibrarians.com or follow us on Instagram or Facebook @roguelibrarianspod or on Twitter @RLibrarians. Please consider helping us by giving us a rating and review on Apple Podcasts (or a rating on Spotify or Audible) and/or supporting our podcast on Patreon. We appreciate your support!
For more information on the Black Lives Matter movement and police shootings, please visit:
- https://blacklivesmatter.com/
- https://library.law.howard.edu/civilrightshistory/BLM
- https://pewresearch.org
- https://eji.org/
- https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/investigations/police-shootings-database/
- https://everytownresearch.org/issue/gun-violence-black-americans/
- https://interactive.aljazeera.com/aje/2020/know-their-names/index.html
Some of the sources mentioned in this episode:
- https://www.slj.com/story/the-hate-u-give-by-angie-thomas-slj-review
- https://www.commonsensemedia.org/book-reviews/the-hate-u-give
- https://blacklivesmatter.com/about/
- https://www.ebony.com/entertainment/the-hate-u-give-angie-thomas/
- https://www.marshall.edu/library/bannedbooks/the-hate-u-give/
- https://twitter.com/angiecthomas/status/936402969074991104?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
55 min - 2. Gender Queer (Part 2: Close Reading)
We do a close reading of Maia Kobabe's Gender Queer. We discuss our opinions of the graphic memoir's characterization, themes, and significance. Please see Episode 1 for a discussion of why the book has been banned recently.
Trigger warning: we mentioned the high suicide rate for trans teens again from 32:00 to 32:15.
A note: the quotation we mentioned from the Washington Post was from an Op-Ed by Maia Kobabe on October 29, 2021.
A few of the sources mentioned in this episode:
- https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/10/29/schools-are-banning-my-book-queer-kids-need-queer-stories/
- https://www.hrc.org/resources/sexual-orientation-and-gender-identity-terminology-and-definitions
- https://itgetsbetter.org/glossary/asexual-or-ace/
Thanks to Chris for our music and to Lizzie for our audio editing (for all of our episodes)! Please visit our website for a transcript of this episode.
If you would like to join our conversation, please visit theroguelibrarians.com or follow us on social media. Please consider supporting our podcast on Patreon. We appreciate your support!
Linktree: @roguelibrarianspod
Instagram: @roguelibrarianspod
Facebook: @roguelibrarianspod
Twitter: @RLibrarians
Patreon: patreon.com/roguelibrarians
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About Rogue Librarians
From the publisher's feed
Since 2021, an unprecedented number of Young Adult books, especially ones with LGBTQ+ and BIPOC characters, have been removed from libraries across the country. In this podcast, our mission is to…
provide clarity and context during this period of record-breaking book challenges by discussing banned books. Please join us for our conversations! Books are meant to be read.