Debut novelists, Roisin O'Donnell and Chris McQueer, go head to head in a war of the words.

They discuss their latest books ("Nesting" and "Hermit"), their writing inspirations, the power of short stories and the rise of toxic masculinity.

Whilst Andrew Tate doesn't in any way dominate this conversation (nor should he dominate any conversation), the authors discuss how young boys and men are being radicalised through dangerous people on social media and what, if anything, can be done about it.

Both books also look at the theme of coercive control, which again is something else that is on the rise.

They also recommend us some brilliant books - and have a bit of a love-off about Wendy Erskine.

THE BOOK OFF

'Threats' by Amelia Gray

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'Demon Copperhead' by Barbara Kingsolver

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