In this episode of Rooted + Woven, Deb and Caffe return to a question every believer wrestles with: How do we grow spiritually? Their conversation gently traces what Scripture shows us about growth—how it begins with abiding in the Vine and continues through the patient, intentional pruning of the Vinedresser.
They talk honestly about how we naturally prefer walking by sight rather than faith, and how pruning often feels like letting go of our own desires, our old patterns, and the things we think we need. Yet in that surrender, something beautiful happens: the Spirit begins to reveal His fruit in us. Not fruit we can produce by trying harder, but the true fruit of His life—love, joy, peace, and all that flows from Him alone.
Drawing from passages like Galatians 5, 2 Corinthians 12, and Philippians 3:7-14, they reflect on the sweetness of knowing Jesus right in the middle of the hard places, where His tenderness meets our weakness. Their conversation invites us to slow down, trust His work, and remember that spiritual growth is ultimately about knowing Him more deeply as He shapes us from the inside out.