Well, Jon messed up and left his car keys at the hotel, which would have been fine but his mic was locked in the car, which is at ExCeL. So a slightly more rustic feel to today's episode, not least because Fintan is busy doing chairman things. It also means no intro, so we go straight into the action with Better Change's Rob Mabbett. Rob joins Jon to talk about the team's tie-up with RG24/7, as they now offer the latter's training free of charge. How to spell Leeds also comes up, along with tales of Deb The Greek and Mick The Coin off Ludlow market, and even Terry Fox. But mainly, it's about the training stuff and why it's valuable [0:00 - 25:05].

Then the Mighty Mel Ellis joins Jon as he eulogises about the excellent Optimove software, and the pair get into how the consultation on the UK white paper is going. Norwegian pastries make an appearance, and of course, ICE is discussed. Just what does a top gambling industry lawyer do at a top gambling industry trade event, exactly? Find out here! [25:06 - 53:20]

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More tomorrow!