We have a treat for you on this episode of the Run The Race podcast, which we hope you subscribe to. Our guest is a legend in the running world, Gary Cantrell aka Lazarus Lake, the mastermind behind The Barkley Marathons, known as the toughest road race in the world. Now, he's helped create a race during the pandemic that's drawn almost 20,000 participants: The Great Virtual Race Across Tennessee.
I open up the podcast (1:29) talking about those two events, then some advice I gave a co-worker (4:20) for people that are new to running, hoping to avoid injuries.
(5:40) We start our conversation with Lazarus Lake - as he's out for a walk - with some rapid-fire questions to get to know him. (8:30) Because of COVID-19, with races canceled including Barkley, he explains how they came up with this virtual race idea that spread like wildfire and his surprise when so many people signed up worldwide. You have 4 months to run or walk 1000K+ (from one end of Tennessee to the other) or 635 miles, and you can do that activity anywhere, not just TN.
Lazarus, who's walking all his miles for GVRAT, wants people to have fun. He discusses strategy for runners and walkers of all skill levels. (13:42) Laz also reminds us to stay ahead of the "buzzard" on the tracking map, to finish before August 31: "The 1000K across Tennessee is going to be more than they ever dreamed they could do."
(18:50) In 55 years, Laz has completed more than 100,000 miles, but how did he get started with running? He opens up about that and breaking a 5:00 mile but "that 3rd lap around the track is as close to hell as you can get without dying."
I ask (22:40) how he got his nickname, which was an accident involving email. His real name is Gary Cantrell. In our podcast chat, we also discuss (24:58) the mental and spiritual side of running, with Laz saying the world is his church. He's got plenty of wisdom too about making goals, pushing your limits, and working hard.
Lazarus is now preparing for a Trans-Continental journey, (27:00) after already walking across the USA in 2018 which took him 4 months, averaging 27 miles/day.
(28:17) The mastermind of The Barkley Marathons also talks about that iconic race, a grueling challenge in the TN foothills that's only had 15 finishers in 34 years! How did it get started? Laz also talks about the connection with a prison escape involving MLK Jr's assassin James Earl Ray. The event has become even more popular thanks to a documentary that's now on Amazon Prime.
40 people run The Barkley Marathons each year. (33:19) Laz talks about the creative application process and treacherous terrain in Frozen Head State Park. The race has a total elevation of 60,000 feet, the equivalent of climbing Mount Everest twice! He also gives us some names of books at checkpoints on the course, with runners required to grab certain pages for proof.
(38:20) We ask Laz if he thinks a woman will ever complete The Barkley Marathons. He also talks briefly about the 5 loops that have to be done in 60 hours, adding up to allegedly 100 miles but more like 130 miles.
(41:15) Because of the coronavirus pandemic, this legendary race director talks about all the people doing virtual runs in their own back yard, as he helps annually with 118 backyard races in 37 countries. (43:23) Lazarus gives some final thoughts on GVRAT, his hopes for those doing the virtual race, as especially less experienced runners look for motivation to get through the challenge.
(49:07) Our "Food for Thought" segment is about extreme faith and a world record for a 100 mile run on a treadmill. Then we close the episode with a prayer.
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