In this episode, Paul and Liz talk with Kieran Carr, pastor at St. Philips Anglican Church near Perth, Australia about how prayer connects us and our churches to the Spirit's power.

"The power shortage in the church is evident. We don't usually think of it in those raw terms. We maybe spiritualized that a little bit. But certainly the evangelical church has lost cultural power in the last forty years, and we often feel powerless."

"When you talk about asking for something in prayer, you're talking about power coming into a situation or to your heart."

"The ministry of the spirit is a ministry of power. The church misses both in that there is real spiritual power and what the nature of the power is. It's a power you don't control. It's outside your imagination. It truly is, 'the wind blows where it will.' And the power is Jesus shaped. A community that prays will enter into the sufferings of Christ in ways they haven't before."