In this episode Thom Rainer (former CEO of Lifeway) talks with us about the current state of the Evangelical Church. He gives us a sobering analysis of the declining state of the Evangelical Church, pointing out that up to three out of four churches are technically dying. Thom mentions several challenges faced by churches, such as clinging to the past, failing to recognize the impact of the pandemic, struggling with prayer and evangelism, and lacking a clear purpose. Despite the negative aspects, Thom ends on a hopeful note that through evangelism and obedience to the divine commission, revival is possible.