Welcome to Conversations with Jeff Bucknam. Today, Pastor Jeff sits down with Kent Shaw—a ministry leader who has spent years in the trenches of church planting and training pastors—to talk about what it actually takes to start a church. What does it look like on the ground? What do you wish someone had told you before you started? And what keeps church planters going when it gets hard? Grab a cup of coffee and pull up a chair—this is a conversation worth having.