Today on the show, we are continuing our conversation about Season 4 Episode 2, Gates of Heaven. 

We talk to Co-creator, Showrunner, and Director of the episode John Hoffman, about his perspective on talking ghosts in the Arconia and we’ll hear how a cute little vacation turned into an Oh Hell-a-thon. 

Plus, we’ve got the amazing actress Amy Ryan on the show! She plays Jan and the last time we talked to her, no one knew she was trouble! She tells us about coming back to set for season 4 and how to make sense of “Jan logic.” 

Once again, there are spoilers for episode two ahead. So listeners, if you haven't watched yet, stream it now and come right back!

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