Listen to this free-wheeling conversation with acclaimed poet, memoirist, screenwriter and educator Jimmy Santiago Baca. We talk about the gift of saying 'no,' the unexpected byproducts of incarceration, his upcoming writers retreat, and hear him read several of his poems from his 50-year writing career. You can learn more about Jimmy on his website, at the Poetry Foundation, and find out about his upcoming writers retreat in Albuquerque, New Mexico here. The documentary based on his novel "A Place to Stand" can be seen on YouTube. You can also watch the film directed by Taylor Hackford, Bound by Honor, based on Jimmy's life here.