In this episode of the Disciple Making In Community podcast, host Ken Braddy and guest Dr. Ron Brown discuss the challenges and opportunities faced by normative sized churches, particularly in the context of revitalization. Dr. Brown shares his personal journey leading Grace Springs Community Church through significant changes, including a name change, relocation, and a shift in leadership structure. The conversation emphasizes the importance of prayer, honest communication, and the need for a clear vision in revitalization efforts. Dr. Brown also provides insights on how to recognize when a church needs revitalization and offers encouragement to pastors facing similar challenges.