What if the leadership needed for these chaotic times is not simply about better strategy, but about healing what has been left unattended in ourselves, our organizations, and our world?

In this profound episode of the Sacred Changemakers Podcast, I’m joined by Amy Elizabeth Fox and Nicholas Janni, co-authors of the new book Leading in Chaos. Together, they bring decades of experience working with CEOs, senior teams, Fortune 500 companies, and global organizations at the intersection of leadership, culture change, human development, and consciousness.

This was not a conventional conversation about leadership. From the beginning, we entered a relational field that felt alive, thoughtful, and deeply emergent. Amy and Nicholas do not simply speak about presence, healing, awakening, and coherence. They embody it. And that embodiment shaped the whole conversation.

Together, we explored what it means to lead in dark and chaotic times, why trauma-informed leadership matters, and how the inner life of a leader is no longer separate from the work of culture change. We also spoke about “next practice,” spiritual intelligence, AI and the human future of work, and the shift from individualistic consciousness toward a lived realization of interconnection.

This episode is especially valuable for coaches, leaders, and changemakers who sense that real change cannot be created through tools and frameworks alone. It requires presence, relational maturity, and the courage to turn toward what has been avoided, in ourselves and in the systems we serve.

Key Takeaways

• Why chaos is revealing the limits of the old leadership operating system.
• How healing and awakening have become essential leadership capacities.
• Why trauma-informed leadership matters inside organizational life.
• What “next practice” asks of leaders, coaches, and changemakers now.
• How spiritual intelligence, presence, and relational field awareness can reshape the future of work.

Learn More About Today’s Guests

Amy Elizabeth Fox is the co-founder and CEO of Mobius Executive Leadership, a global transformational leadership firm working with senior leaders, teams, and organizations around leadership, culture change, vertical development, and trauma-informed practice.

Nicholas Janni is an internationally respected leadership teacher, author, and coach who has worked with CEOs and senior teams for more than twenty-five years. His work integrates personal, creative, professional, and spiritual development, and his book Leader as Healer won Business Book of the Year at the 2023 Business Book Awards.

Together, Amy and Nicholas are the co-authors of Leading in Chaos.

Learn More About Today’s Guests

• Book: Leading in Chaos → www.leadinginchaosbook.com
• Amy’s websites ****→ www.mobiusleadership.com | www.amyelizabethfox.com
• Nicholas websites ****→ www.thematrixdevelopment.com | https://www.nicholasjanni.com/
• Amy on LinkedIn → https://www.linkedin.com/in/amyelizabethfox/
• Nicholas on LinkedIn → https://www.linkedin.com/in/nicholas-janni/

About the Host

Jayne Warrilow is the founder of Sacred Changemakers, a global community and learning space exploring the intersection of human resonance, regenerative change, and conscious leadership.

Learn more at sacredchangemakers.com

What if the problem isn’t that we need more change, but that we need to change the way we do change?

In this solo episode of the Sacred Changemakers Podcast, Jayne Warrilow explores why so much of our modern approach to change is no longer working. We are surrounded by transformation language, leadership models, coaching frameworks, strategy, technology, and endless information. And yet many people are exhausted, organizations are struggling, communities feel more fragmented, and the deeper changes we long for often don’t seem to hold.

This episode is an invitation to look beneath the surface. Jayne reflects on how change itself has become fragmented, with different professions holding different pieces of the puzzle, while very few are looking at the whole. She asks what becomes possible when we stop treating change as something to manage, fix, or force, and begin to understand it as something alive, relational, and deeply connected to the fields we live and work inside.

At the heart of this conversation is the word AND. Not as a concept, but as a way back to wholeness. A way of bringing together what our culture has separated: the individual and the collective, strategy and soul, science and wisdom, the visible and invisible dimensions of change. Jayne shares why resonance has become the center of her work, not as another method, but as a deeper way of seeing. Through frequency, fields, and flow, she offers a more human and life-giving way to understand why some change sticks, why some falls apart, and what it might mean to create change in service of the whole.

This is a reflective and thought-provoking episode for coaches, leaders, and changemakers who can feel that the old ways of doing change are no longer enough for the times we’re living in.

Key Takeaways

• Why is our culture obsessed with change, yet so much of it still doesn’t seem to work?
• How fragmented approaches to coaching, leadership, business, and transformation may be limiting the more expansive changes we need.
• Why individual change matters, but can’t be separated from the relational, cultural, and systemic fields we live inside.
• How resonance, frequency, fields, and flow can help us see what is happening beneath the surface of any change process.
• Why the future of change may depend on our capacity to weave the fragments back into a more life-giving whole.

About Jayne Warrilow:

Jayne Warrilow is the founder of Sacred Changemakers, a global community, podcast, and training platform for coaches, leaders, and changemakers who are ready to lead from resonance and contribute to regenerative change.

With more than thirty years of experience at the intersection of leadership, consciousness, business, and human change, Jayne’s work bridges ancient wisdom and modern change practice. She is the creator of the Resonance Codes and the developer of the 8 Dimensions of Change. Her newest book, Resonance: The Soul of Change, offers a field guide for sacred changemakers ready to move from fragmented transformation into deeper coherence, wholeness, and regenerative impact. Learn more at sacredchangemakers.com

Episode Resources:

• Her latest book: Resonance: The Soul of Change, will be published in July 2026.
• Books: Becoming: Poems From The Thresholds Of Change and Beyond Profit: The Sacred Changemaker’s Guide To Reimagining Business and Leading Regenerative Change by Jayne Warrilow are available on Amazon
• SacredChangemakers.com
• Jayne Warrilow on LinkedIn

Thank you to our sponsor:

A huge thank you to our Resonance Collective members, podcast sponsors, and extended Sacred Changemakers community, all of whom are visible on our website and helping us make a global impact aligned with the United Nations Sustainable Development Goals.

What if the future of leadership isn’t about performing certainty, but learning how to respond with deeper awareness, courage, and connection?

In this rich and deeply thoughtful episode of the Sacred Changemakers Podcast, I’m joined by Sarah Carlsen, an executive and systems coach who helps leaders and leadership teams navigate complexity, transition, and growth with greater intention. Before becoming a coach, Sarah led complex change initiatives inside global law firms, where she saw firsthand that the technical side of change is often the easier part. The deeper challenge is human. It lives in how we relate, how we communicate, how we stay present under pressure, and how willing we are to see ourselves clearly.

Sarah’s work brings together whole-person development, relational skills, systems thinking, and the Enneagram, all in service of helping leaders and teams respond to change from a place of groundedness rather than reactivity. What makes this conversation so powerful is that Sarah doesn’t just speak about this work. She embodies it. Her wisdom feels lived, integrated, and deeply human. Together, we explore why leadership today must evolve beyond role, authority, and performance into a more conscious practice of responsibility. We also talk about the courage it takes to stay in hard conversations, how teams can strengthen trust in times of complexity, and what becomes possible when we begin to partner more consciously with what is trying to emerge.

This is an enlightening conversation for coaches, leaders, and changemakers who sense that the next era of leadership will not be built through strategy alone, but will require presence, self-awareness, relational courage, and the capacity to see the systems we are part of with fresh eyes.

Key Takeaways

• Why the technical side of change is often easier than the human side.
• How leadership can evolve from performance and certainty into conscious responsibility.
• Why meaningful change must happen across three levels: self, relationship, and system.
• How leaders can move from reactivity into grounded, intentional response.
• Why relational courage matters when teams are navigating complexity, tension, and transition.
• What becomes possible when we begin to trust the wisdom within us, between us, and among us.

Learn More About Today’s Guest

• Sarah’s website ****→ https://carlsencc.com
• Sarah on LinkedIn → https://www.linkedin.com/in/sarah-carlsen-pcc/
• ORSC Coach Training → https://crrglobal.com/

About the Host

Jayne Warrilow is the founder of Sacred Changemakers, a global community and learning space exploring the intersection of human resonance, regenerative change, and conscious leadership.

Learn more at sacredchangemakers.com

207. Leading With Resilience In Mind: Partnering With Living Systems with Dr. Kathleen Allen

What if the future of leadership isn’t about controlling change, but learning from the way life already knows how to adapt, renew, and regenerate?

In this episode of the Sacred Changemakers Podcast, I’m joined by Dr. Kathleen Allen, a trusted coach and advisor to global teams, and the author of Leading from the Roots: Nature-Inspired Leadership Lessons for Today’s World and Following Nature’s Lead.

Kathleen has spent much of her career working at the intersection of leadership, innovation, systems change, and regenerative organizational design. Her work helps purpose-driven leaders and organizations move beyond mechanical, industrial-age thinking and begin designing workplaces where both people and the organization can thrive.

Together, we explore what happens when we stop treating organizations like machines and begin understanding them as living systems. Kathleen shares why nature is such a powerful teacher for leadership today, what regenerative organizations are learning in practice, and how principles such as diversity, interdependence, emergence, adaptation, and resilience can reshape the way we lead and create change.

This is a rich and inspiring conversation for coaches, consultants, leaders, and changemakers who care about regenerative leadership, organizational transformation, sustainability, systems change, and the future of work.

In This Episode, We Explore:

• Why nature offers powerful lessons for regenerative leadership.
• How organizations change when we see them as living systems.
• What leaders can learn from diversity, emergence, interdependence, and adaptation.
• Why sustainability may not be enough, and what regeneration asks of us.
• What organizations are learning after years of working toward regenerative practice.
• How coaches and changemakers can bring living systems wisdom into their own work.

Learn More About Today’s Guest

• Kathleen’s website ****→ www.kathleenallen.net
• Book: Leading From The Roots by Kathleen Allen → https://amzn.to/4fgbdKj
• Kathleen on LinkedIn → https://www.linkedin.com/in/kathy-allen-b5293110/

About the Host

Jayne Warrilow is the founder of Sacred Changemakers, a global community and learning space exploring the intersection of human resonance, regenerative change, and conscious leadership.

Learn more at sacredchangemakers.com

What if the biggest thing holding your business back isn’t effort, strategy, or talent, but a lack of clarity?

In this energizing episode of the Sacred Changemakers Podcast, I’m joined by Isabelle Mercier-Turcotte and Margarita Romano, Co-CEOs of LeapZone Strategies and founders of Trailblazers Retreat Center. Together, they are no-nonsense business growth catalysts known for helping entrepreneurs, leaders, and teams build brands, businesses, and lives by design, not by default. With more than 25 years of hands-on experience in brand positioning, marketing, leadership, and business growth, Isabelle and Margarita have worked with over 500 companies, including A&W, Robeez Footwear, TEDx, Earls Restaurants, IMAX, TD, and HSBC. Their work helps businesses become The First, The Best, or The Only, so their value becomes unmistakable and they can be chosen with confidence, regardless of price.

This conversation brings together two powerful streams of wisdom. Isabelle brings the sharp, strategic lens of brand clarity, positioning, leadership, and business architecture, while Margarita brings a deeply embodied understanding of human behavior, energy, resonance, and the wisdom of horses. At Trailblazers, their retreat center on Vancouver Island, their equine partners help leaders and teams see what’s really happening beneath the surface, because horses don’t respond to performance, titles, or polished words. They respond to what’s real.

Together, we explore why so many businesses are missing clarity and how that affects everything from leadership and culture to sales, team alignment, execution, and growth. We talk about the difference between branding, positioning, and marketing, why so many purpose-led people over-function, and how leaders can stop carrying everything themselves and begin building with more courage, structure, and intention. This is a practical, honest, and deeply human conversation for coaches, founders, changemakers, and leaders who want to build meaningful work without losing themselves in hustle, chaos, or performance.

Key Takeaways

• Why clarity is one of the greatest competitive advantages in business today.
• The difference between branding, positioning, and marketing, and why mixing them up creates confusion.
• How to become The First, The Best, or The Only in a way that feels true rather than forced.
• How horses reveal incongruence, energy, and leadership patterns that are often hidden in boardrooms.
• How to build a business and life by design, not by default.

Learn More About Today’s Guest

• Leapzone Strategies website ****→ www.leapzonestrategies.com
• Margarita's bestselling book: How To Love Without Limits →https://leapzone.lpages.co/book/
• Ebook: The First. Best. Only. Advantage eBook → ****https://leapzone.lpages.co/first-best-only-advantage-optin/
• Isabelle on LinkedIn → https://www.linkedin.com/in/leapzoneleader/
• Margarita on LinkedIn → https://www.linkedin.com/in/margarita-romano-a40445209/

About the Host

Jayne Warrilow is the founder of Sacred Changemakers, a global community and learning space exploring the intersection of human resonance, regenerative change, and conscious leadership.

Learn more at sacredchangemakers.com

From Insight to Embodiment: Healing, Awakening, and the Power of Relational Safety with Blaise Kennedy

What if real change doesn’t happen through insight alone, but through the body, the nervous system, and the relationships that teach us how to become whole?

In this deeply grounded and spacious episode of the Sacred Changemakers Podcast, I’m joined by Blaise Kennedy, a teacher and guide working at the intersection of embodied awareness, relational attunement, and spiritual awakening. Blaise supports growth-oriented people who are spiritually curious, emotionally honest, and ready for change that shows up in daily life, not only in meditation or peak experiences. His work was shaped by a major turning point at age 24, when he entered recovery and began a serious path of self-inquiry, healing, and integration. That journey eventually led him to create Developmental Architecture, a staged, embodied map of growth that weaves together awakening, nervous system capacity, trauma repair, and relational maturity into one developmental process.

Together, we explore why healing is not a solo project, the difference between insight and embodiment, what the nervous system may really be asking for, and how awakening, healing, and manifestation can be understood as different facets of one living process of consciousness. This conversation has so much value for anyone working in change, whether through coaching, facilitation, leadership, organizational transformation, healing, or community work. It is also deeply relevant for anyone who has done inner work, had powerful insights, or experienced moments of awakening, yet still finds themselves returning to familiar patterns.

Blaise brings a rare combination of vulnerability, humility, wisdom, and lived experience. This is not a conversation about change as theory. It is about change that becomes embodied, relational, and real.

Key Takeaways

• Why insight alone is not enough to create lasting change
• How the nervous system shapes our capacity for awakening, intimacy, manifestation, and growth
• Why healing was never meant to happen in isolation: The importance of relational safety, attunement, and co-regulation in transformation
• What becomes possible when awakening moves from peak experience into daily life
• Why coaches, leaders, and changemakers need to understand their own nervous system and relational presence

Learn More About Today’s Guest

• Blaise’s website ****→ www.blaisekennedy.com
• Blaise’s Instagram →@blaisehere

About the Host

Jayne Warrilow is the founder of Sacred Changemakers, a global community and learning space exploring the intersection of human resonance, regenerative change, and conscious leadership.

Learn more at sacredchangemakers.com

What if the thing that could help heal our divided world is not another answer, method, or ideology, but the rare and sacred act of truly seeing one another?

In this evocative episode of the Sacred Changemakers Podcast, I’m joined by my dear friend Nic Askew, creator of Soul Biographies and founder of Inner View Experiences. For more than two decades, Nic has been capturing the soul of humanity on film, offering a body of work that invites us to see ourselves reflected in one another and remember that we belong to each other.

This is not a typical interview. In many ways, it is more of an experience than a conversation. Nic brings his quietly rebellious, contrarian, and deeply human perspective to the nature of attention, silence, belonging, and what it means to witness another person without agenda. We explore why unconditional attention may be one of the most revolutionary acts available to us, especially in a world addicted to noise, performance, and separation. Somewhere in the middle of this episode, Nic invited me into the silence, and I find myself sobbing. The experience was potent. It becomes a threshold in the conversation, inviting us to feel the fragility and sacredness of being human.

Together, we explore what happens when we stop trying to extract, fix, analyze, or shape one another and instead offer the kind of presence that allows the soul to emerge. This episode is an invitation to listen differently, not simply for ideas, but for what stirs beneath them. It may leave you quieter. It may leave you changed. It may remind you that beneath all our separate stories, there is one same heartbeat.

Key Takeaways

• Why unconditional attention may be a revolutionary act in our time.
• How silence can create space for the soul to emerge.
• What it means to witness another human being without an agenda.
• Why belonging is not an idea, but something we remember through presence.
• How film can become a sacred mirror for the soul of humanity.
• Why “no-thing” may hold more power than our constant need to do, explain, or solve.

Learn More About Today’s Guest

• Nic’s website ****→ https://soulbiographies.com
• Inner View Experiences → https://www.innerviewexperiences.com
• Nic on LinkedIn → https://www.linkedin.com/in/nicaskew/

About the Host

Jayne Warrilow is the founder of Sacred Changemakers, a global community and learning space exploring the intersection of human resonance, regenerative change, and conscious leadership.

Learn more at sacredchangemakers.com

What if coaching was never meant to be merely a tool for performance, but a path for human awakening?

In this rich and deeply reflective episode of the Sacred Changemakers Podcast, I’m joined by Dr. Pat Williams, one of the founding pioneers of the modern coaching profession and widely regarded as the ambassador of life coaching. A licensed psychologist since 1980, Pat began executive coaching in 1990, well before coaching became the global industry it is today. As a founding member of the International Coaching Federation and one of the profession’s earliest Master Certified Coaches, he has spent decades helping shape the field while mentoring generations of coaches worldwide.

Together, we explore the origins of coaching, how the profession has evolved over the last three decades, and what has been gained and lost as coaching has grown in scale and popularity. Pat shares profound wisdom on the relationship between consciousness and coaching, why human development must remain central to transformational work, and what it truly means to listen when the soul whispers.

This is a powerful conversation about the deeper purpose of coaching, the evolution of the profession, and the responsibility coaches now hold in a rapidly changing world. If you care about where coaching is heading and what it is truly here to serve, this conversation is not to be missed.

Key Takeaways

• How coaching began and what the profession was originally designed to serve
• What has changed in the coaching industry over the past three decades
• Why consciousness and human development sit at the heart of transformational coaching
• What it means to “listen when the soul whispers”
• Why the future of coaching requires greater wisdom from practitioners

About Dr. Pat Williams

Dr. Pat Williams is one of the early pioneers of the coaching profession and is often referred to as the ambassador of life coaching. A licensed psychologist since 1980, Pat began executive coaching in 1990 with organizations including Hewlett-Packard, IBM, and Kodak. He became a founding member of the International Coaching Federation and received his Master Certified Coach designation in 1998.

Pat holds advanced degrees in Humanistic and Transpersonal Psychology, with a doctorate focused on Transpersonal Psychology and the Evolution of Consciousness. He is the author of numerous books, including Becoming a Professional Life Coach and Getting Naked, and continues to mentor, teach, and shape the future of coaching worldwide.

Learn More About Today’s Guest

• Dr. Pat’s website ****→ www.drpatwilliams.com
• Dr. Pat’s books on Amazon → https://www.amazon.com/stores/Patrick-Williams/author/B001H6KXOY?ref=ap_rdr&shoppingPortalEnabled=true
• Dr. Pat on LinkedIn → linkedin.com/in/drpatwilliams/

About the Host

Jayne Warrilow is the founder of Sacred Changemakers, a global community and learning space exploring the intersection of human resonance, regenerative change, and conscious leadership.

Learn more at sacredchangemakers.com

What if the thing you’ve been trying to fix… isn’t the thing that’s actually in the way?

In this episode of the Sacred Changemakers Podcast, I’m joined by David Strickel, philosopher, author, and a voice for Source consciousness known as The Stream. David’s work doesn’t sit comfortably inside traditional personal development. It doesn’t offer techniques to manage your mindset or strategies to feel better. Instead, it points to something far more precise: the underlying mechanism that shapes how we experience life, create change, and relate to even the most difficult moments we face.

At the center of his philosophy is Omniappreciation, the practice of genuinely appreciating all things, including what we most resist. Not as a mindset shift, but as a way of dissolving the interference that blocks clarity, healing, and conscious creation. In this conversation, we move beyond surface-level ideas of growth and explore what it really means to see clearly in a world where certainty is breaking down. We talk about attention as the true currency of the modern world, the quiet erosion of discernment, and what it takes to reclaim the sovereignty of mind amid constant noise.

This is not a conversation that tells you what to think. It invites you to look again. If you’re someone who senses there’s more beneath the surface of how we’ve been taught to navigate life and leadership… this one will stay with you.

Key Takeaways

• Why certainty and clarity are not the same and why that distinction matters now
• What “attention as currency” really means in a distracted, noisy world
• The difference between performing positivity and dissolving interference
• A deeper understanding of Omniappreciation and why it challenges conventional thinking
• What it means to be sovereign in your thinking in times of uncertainty
• How we may be unknowingly sustaining what we most want to change

About David Strickel

David Strickel is a philosopher, author, and public voice for Source consciousness known as The Stream. His work centers on clarity, attention, and the sovereignty of mind in times of personal and cultural transition.

Over nearly a decade, David guided hundreds of people across six continents through some of the most extreme human circumstances—applying a philosophy he calls Omniappreciation, the practice of appreciating all things without exception. His work makes a clear distinction between performing positivity and dissolving the internal interference that blocks genuine change.

He is the author of The Stream and The Tya Practice, with a forthcoming book titled It Was Always This: The Hidden Code in Omniappreciation.

Learn More About Today’s Guest

• David’s website ****→ www.davidstrickel.com
• Book: The Stream by David Strickel → https://amzn.to/41IAxR5
• Book: The Tya Practice by David Strickel → https://amzn.to/4tobajs
• Live Bi-Weekly Transmissions: Saturday 9-11 am PT → davidstrickel.com
• David on LinkedIn → https://www.linkedin.com/company/tyaacademy/

About the Host

Jayne Warrilow is the founder of Sacred Changemakers, a global community and learning space exploring the intersection of human resonance, regenerative change, and conscious leadership.

Learn more at sacredchangemakers.com

What if the future of coaching demands more from us than better tools, sharper questions, or stronger personal brands?

In this special encore episode of the Sacred Changemakers Podcast, I’m sharing a conversation originally recorded with Joel Monk on the Coaches Rising podcast, one that sparked powerful dialogue across the coaching industry and prompted many coaches to reach out, saying it gave voice to what they had long been sensing but had struggled to articulate. Together, we explore why coaching stands at a threshold moment.

As the world grows more complex, uncertain, and interconnected, the old models of coaching are no longer enough. The next era of coaching asks for something deeper than methodology. It asks for greater consciousness, wider capacity, and a more systemic understanding of what real transformation requires. In this conversation, we explore what it means for coaches to evolve beyond transactional change work and step into a more profound role as stewards of human and collective transformation.

If you sense the profession is being called into something greater, this conversation will speak directly to that knowing.

Key Themes We Explore:

• Why coaching is at a pivotal moment of evolution
• What the increasing complexity of our world demands from coaches now
• Why traditional coaching models may no longer be sufficient
• The difference between transactional coaching and transformational coaching
• How consciousness development shapes coaching capacity
• Why inner evolution must precede outer impact
• The emerging role of coaches in human and collective transformation
• What the next era of coaching may require from all of us

Learn More About Today’s Guest

Jayne Warrilow is the founder of Sacred Changemakers, a global community and learning space exploring the intersection of human resonance, regenerative change, and conscious leadership. Through her work, Jayne helps coaches evolve from practitioner to changemaker by integrating inner development, resonance, and systems awareness into the way they lead, coach, and create transformation.

• Jayne’s website ****→ https://SacredChangemakers.com
• Book: Becoming: Poems From The Thresholds Of Change by Jayne Warrilow →
• Book: Beyond Profit: The Sacred Changemakers Guide To Reimagining Business And Leading Regenerative Change →
• Jayne on LinkedIn → https://www.linkedin.com/in/jaynewarrilow/

About Our Guest Host

Joel Monk is co-founder of Coaches Rising, one of the most respected platforms in the coaching and human development space, known for supporting coaches in the deeper developmental, relational, and transformative dimensions of the profession. Learn more at CoachesRising.com