Sacred Changemakers

What if the future of coaching asks us to reconsider what it means to be human?

In this episode of the Sacred Changemakers Podcast, I’m joined by Rod Francis, a coach, coach educator, storyteller, and speaker who has founded and led professional coach training programs in Europe and the United States over the past fifteen years.

I reached out to Rod after learning about his decision to move away from the International Coaching Federation and his questions about whether competency frameworks can prepare practitioners for the future. Those questions open a rich inquiry into how we support human change, and the capacities we need to develop within ourselves.

Together, we explore embodiment, the influence of Eugene Gendlin’s work, and the relationship between professional training and our ability to meet what emerges in a living conversation. We also consider how AI challenges familiar assumptions about coaching and invites us to examine the value of human presence and relationship.

Underlying Rod’s work is a commitment to our shared future: helping humanity open its collective heart and mind, with care for one another and the living world.

Whether you’re a coach, consultant, facilitator, or leader, this conversation invites you to reflect on how your own development shapes the change you make possible for others.

Key Takeaways

• The questions behind Rod’s decision to move away from the ICF and his concerns about competency-based coach education.
• How embodiment invites us to reconsider the way we understand and support human change.
• The relevance of Eugene Gendlin’s work to listening, felt experience, and allowing a next step to emerge.
• What AI asks us to examine about the purpose and value of human developmental work.
• Why practitioner development matters beyond individual outcomes, extending into our relationships, communities, and shared future.

Learn More About Today’s Guest

• Rod’s website → https://www.rodfranciscoaching.com/
• Why I am walking away from the ICF article → https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/why-im-walking-away-from-icf-after-decade-program-rod-francis-jf50e
• Rod on LinkedIn → www.linkedin.com/in/rod-francis-coach

About the Host

Jayne Warrilow is the founder of Sacred Changemakers, a global community and learning space exploring the intersection of human resonance, regenerative change, and conscious leadership.

Learn more at sacredchangemakers.com

What might become possible if you gave yourself permission to express more of who you are?

In this episode of the Sacred Changemakers Podcast, I’m joined by Rachel Wayte, an energy and frequency healer, spiritual mentor, and classically trained singer whose work brings together voice, sound, and energetic awareness. Rachel supports leaders, CEOs, and entrepreneurs through periods of transition, reinvention, and expansion, with a focus on clarity, alignment, and sustainable ways of leading.

Rachel’s journey from opera into her current work opens an exploration of the courage it takes to follow an unexpected calling. When the professional identity we’ve built no longer holds everything we feel drawn to offer, how do we begin to trust what comes next?

And there’s something special in this episode: Rachel offers a live demonstration of her vocal work, giving you an opportunity to pause, listen, and notice your own response to the sound and vibration of her voice.

This is a warm, exploratory conversation for anyone curious about resonance, navigating a change in direction, or seeking a deeper connection between who they are and how they lead.

Key Takeaways

• The courage it takes to follow a calling beyond an established professional identity.
• Rachel’s approach to bringing voice, sound, and frequency into her work with leaders.
• An invitation to consider the relationship between inner alignment and outward expression.
• A live vocal demonstration to experience and reflect on for yourself.

Learn More About Today’s Guest

• Rachel’s website ****→ https://rachelwayte.com
• Virtual Event: The Expansion Room Guest Pass → https://rachelwayte.com/expansionroom-guest-pass
• Rachel on LinkedIn → https://www.linkedin.com/in/rachelwayte/

About the Host

Jayne Warrilow is the founder of Sacred Changemakers, a global community and learning space exploring the intersection of human resonance, regenerative change, and conscious leadership.

Learn more at sacredchangemakers.com

What if real change isn’t about fixing who you are or uncovering someone you have always been, but allowing something genuinely new to emerge?

In this episode of the Sacred Changemakers Podcast, I’m joined by Adam Klein, Managing Partner and Senior Faculty at New Ventures West, a 40-year-old ICF-accredited coaching school in San Francisco. Adam is a PCC-credentialed coach, faculty member at Stagen Leadership Academy, and the creator of a powerful distinction he calls the Becoming Paradigm.

Much of human development rests on one of two assumptions: that we grow by improving our deficiencies or by uncovering an essential self hidden within us. Adam offers a third possibility. Becoming is a process of genuine emergence in which the person who arrives could not have been predicted from who they were at the beginning.

Together, we explore what becoming asks of us and the practices that create the conditions for our essential humanity to arise. We consider what changes when coaches stop holding a predetermined destination for their clients, why receptivity matters alongside agency, and how qualities such as love, creativity, and justice can emerge through the way we live, lead, and relate. This is a deep and thought-provoking conversation for coaches, leaders, and changemakers who sense that our familiar approaches to development may be too small for the moment we are living through, and who are ready to discover what becomes possible when we make space for the unexpected.

Key Takeaways

• The difference between improvement, unfolding, and genuine becoming.
• Why real development may lead somewhere we could never have predicted.
• The practices that allow our essential humanity to arise.
• How the Becoming Paradigm changes the way coaches listen and support change.
• How individual becoming can open toward greater creativity, love, and justice.

Learn More About Today’s Guest

• New Ventures West website ****→ https://newventureswest.com/
• Find Adam’s writing at https://onbecoming.co
• Adam on LinkedIn → https://www.linkedin.com/in/kleinadam/

About the Host

Jayne Warrilow is the founder of Sacred Changemakers, a global community and learning space exploring the intersection of human resonance, regenerative change, and conscious leadership.

Learn more at sacredchangemakers.com

What becomes possible when the purpose behind your work becomes something other people want to carry forward?

In this episode of the Sacred Changemakers Podcast, I’m joined by Makenzie Darling, a global movement maker who bridges ancient wisdom with modern movement design. Over more than a decade, she has helped NGOs, social impact initiatives, and pioneering startups create campaigns and ambassador programs that engaged more than five million people across 128 countries.

Our conversation opens up a deeper inquiry into conscious leadership: how we hold power, the ancestral patterns we bring into our work, and what it takes to create belonging where people become co-creators of a shared future.

For anyone leading change, this is an invitation to consider the relationship between your personal calling and our collective future, including how the work you begin might grow beyond you. If you sense that your work holds a purpose bigger than you can carry alone, join us for a resonant conversation about what it means to build something others can help shape, sustain, and carry forward.

Key Takeaways

• What movement building asks of us as conscious leaders.
• Why power literacy matters in the cultures and communities we create.
• How ancestral gifts and inherited patterns can shape our leadership.
• What helps people move from an interested audience to active co-creators.
• How becoming better ancestors changes the way we think about impact and legacy.

Learn More About Today’s Guest

• Mackenzie’s website → globalmovementmaker.com
• Assessment: 7 archetypal leaders, which one are you? →https://thehub-api.mastermind.com/widget/quiz/3TcUvNtGvBhgz43culks
• Workbook: Bloodline to Blueprint → https://globalmovementmaker.com/blueprint
• Mackenzie on LinkedIn → https://www.linkedin.com/in/makenziedarling/

About the Host

Jayne Warrilow is the founder of Sacred Changemakers, a global community and learning space exploring the intersection of human resonance, regenerative change, and conscious leadership.

Learn more at sacredchangemakers.com

What if our systems are failing not because we lack better strategies, but because we have lost the capacity to listen, respond, and correct our course?

In this profound episode of the Sacred Changemakers Podcast, I’m joined by Richard Barrett, an internationally recognized thought leader, prolific author, founder of the Barrett Values Center, and creator of the Seven Levels of Consciousness model. Richard’s work has influenced coaches, leaders, and organizations worldwide, including my own work since I first trained as a Barrett Values certified coach more than 20 years ago.

Together, we explore Richard’s newest body of work, The Coherence Principle. He explains that coherence requires three things: differentiated parts that can function fully, integration between those parts, and the whole's ability to respond to changing circumstances and correct itself. Without that final capacity, even a system that appears strong will eventually become rigid and begin to fail. Our conversation follows the remarkable evolution of Richard’s work from values and culture into consciousness, soul, shadow, frequency, and the deeper architecture of human life. We explore why transformation is not simply change, why development may be less about becoming someone new and more about revealing who we already are, and why coherent organizations and societies must begin with coherent human beings.

Richard also challenges standardized approaches to leadership development that ignore cultural context, explores the shadow as a gift rather than something to suppress, and explains why an organization cannot evolve beyond the consciousness of its leaders. We also discuss his extraordinary creative relationship with AI, which he describes as a telephone line to universal consciousness, and the role of stillness, presence, and pause in opening us to new insight. Finally, Richard shares a moving reflection on legacy, not as something we own, but as what moves through us and becomes available to the world.

This is an expansive conversation about consciousness, human potential, and the inner work required to create a more coherent future.

Key Takeaways

• The three essential elements of The Coherence Principle
• Why transformation is a new way of being, rather than simply doing something differently.
• Why personal and leadership coherence shape what organizations and societies can become.
• How integrating the shadow allows the gifts of the soul to be revealed.
• What creativity, AI, and legacy can teach us about our relationship with universal consciousness.

Learn More About Today’s Guest

• Richard’s author website: https://www.richardbarrettauthor.com
• The Evolutionary Journal on Substack: https://barrettvalues.substack.com/
• The Barrett Academy: https://www.barrettacademy.com
• Richard on LinkedIn → https://www.linkedin.com/in/barrettvalues/

About the Host

Jayne Warrilow is the founder of Sacred Changemakers, a global community and learning space exploring the intersection of human resonance, regenerative change, and conscious leadership.

Learn more at sacredchangemakers.com

What if the constant effort to improve ourselves is quietly reinforcing the belief that there is something wrong with us?

In this deeply inspiring episode of the Sacred Changemakers Podcast, I’m joined by Steve March, founder of Aletheia Unfolding and originator of Aletheia Coaching. Steve has coached for more than 26 years and has taught professional coaching around the world. After spending more than a decade working within the prevailing model of self-improvement, he began exploring a radically different understanding of how human beings change. Together, we examine what Steve calls the self-improvement trap: how our efforts to become better can produce genuine results while strengthening an underlying sense of deficiency. Steve introduces the Unfoldment Paradigm, which begins with the possibility that nothing is missing and that change can emerge through presence, attunement, care, and a deeper trust in our innate wholeness.

We also explore what this moment in history is asking of coaches and changemakers, why our established approaches to change may no longer be sufficient, and how the coaching profession must evolve to meet growing complexity without reducing people to problems that need to be solved. This is a poetic, honest, and embodied conversation that invites us to reconsider how we meet ourselves, how we serve others, and how we participate in the changes unfolding around us.

Key Takeaways

• Why self-improvement can create progress while reinforcing a belief in personal deficiency.
• How the Unfoldment Paradigm offers a different way of understanding human change.
• What it means to begin coaching from wholeness rather than trying to fix the client.
• Why presence, attunement, safety, and care create the conditions for lasting change.
• How coaching must evolve to meet the complexity and uncertainty of our times.

Learn More About Today’s Guest

• Steve’s website → https://integralunfoldment.com
• Steve on LinkedIn → https://www.linkedin.com/in/stevemarch/

About the Host

Jayne Warrilow is the founder of Sacred Changemakers, a global community and learning space exploring the intersection of human resonance, regenerative change, and conscious leadership.

Learn more at sacredchangemakers.com

What if the future of coaching depends less on learning new techniques and more on developing the human being behind them?

In this episode of the Sacred Changemakers Podcast, I’m joined by Dr. David Drake, a coaching pioneer with more than 30 years of experience shaping the fields of coaching, human development, and leadership. David is the founder of The Moment Institute, an EMCC Master Practitioner, a Thought Leader with the Institute of Coaching, and the creator of Narrative Coaching, Narrative Release, Integrative Development, and The Five Maturities. He has also authored more than 80 publications, including his latest book, The Five Maturities: Developing Yourself for a World Beyond Coaching.

Together, we explore what a “world beyond coaching” really means, why the profession may need to move beyond its industrial mindset, and the difference between becoming more competent and becoming more mature. We also talk about presence, the limits of tools and frameworks, the role of AI in coaching, and what becomes more important about the human practitioner as technology evolves.

This is a rich and provocative conversation for coaches, leaders, and changemakers who sense that the next chapter of their work will require more than another model or certification. It may require deeper self-development.

Key Takeaways

• What David means by a “world beyond coaching”
• Why coaching needs to move beyond the industrial mindset
• The difference between competence and maturity
• What AI changes about the future role of the coach
• What coaches need to develop in themselves for the future ahead

Learn More About Today’s Guest

• David’s website ****→ www.themomentinstitute.com
• David on LinkedIn → https://www.linkedin.com/in/davidbdrake/

About the Host

Jayne Warrilow is the founder of Sacred Changemakers, a global community and learning space exploring the intersection of human resonance, regenerative change, and conscious leadership.

Learn more at sacredchangemakers.com

What if resilience isn’t about holding on more tightly, but learning what to release?

In the first episode of the fall season of the Sacred Changemakers Podcast, I’m joined by Jay Abbasi, global keynote and TEDx speaker, coach, former Tesla leader, and founder of The Conscious Professional. Jay’s work challenges many of the assumptions we hold about stress and resilience. Rather than seeing stress simply as something to reduce or escape, he invites us to understand it as information, a signal that can help us respond to life with greater clarity, awareness, and choice.

Together, we explore what people often get wrong about resilience, how Jay’s own experience of sudden loss reshaped his relationship with uncertainty, and why letting go of our attachment to outcomes can become a powerful form of inner strength. We also talk about the difference between useful pressure and unsustainable stress, the role of mindfulness in building resilience, and why joy should not be something we postpone until we finally arrive at some future version of success.

This is a grounded and practical conversation for anyone navigating pressure, change, or uncertainty and especially for coaches, leaders, and changemakers who want to meet demanding times without losing themselves or the present moment along the way.

Key Takeaways

• Why resilience is not the same as pushing through or becoming tougher
• How stress can become useful information rather than simply something to eliminate
• What it means to let go of control without giving up on what matters
• Why joy, presence, and purpose can strengthen our capacity to lead through uncertainty

Learn More About Today’s Guest

• Jay’s website ****→ https://jayabbasi.me/
• Jay on LinkedIn → https://www.linkedin.com/in/jayabbasi/
• Jay on YouTube → https://www.youtube.com/@jayabbasipodcast

About Jay Abbasi

Jay Abbasi is a global keynote speaker, TEDx speaker, coach, and former Tesla leader who helps professionals thrive under pressure without burning out. At Tesla, he led national training programs for more than 1,000 employees and has since coached leaders at Google, Amazon, TikTok, Wells Fargo, and many more. Blending corporate experience with expertise in mindfulness, resilience, and wellbeing, Jay helps people build the inner capacity to navigate challenge with greater clarity, energy, and purpose.

About the Host

Jayne Warrilow is the founder of Sacred Changemakers, a global community and learning space exploring the intersection of human resonance, regenerative change, and conscious leadership.

Learn more at sacredchangemakers.com

Leading Change Without Losing Yourself: The Inner Work of Sustainable Activism with Genevieve Nathwani

What if the way we create change matters as much as the change itself?

In this episode of the Sacred Changemakers Podcast, I’m joined by Genevieve Nathwani, a coach who supports people taking on some of the world’s toughest challenges across climate, human rights, finance, technology, and social change. Her clients include award-winning filmmakers, funders, charity leaders, and technologists who have raised millions, mobilized movements, and helped shape national laws and policies.

Together, we explore why inner work is not separate from outer impact, but central to it. Genevieve shares what she has learned from working closely with changemakers who carry enormous responsibility, and why even the most capable people can experience doubt, overwhelm, isolation, and exhaustion.

We also talk about the hidden cost of trying to create change while neglecting ourselves, the risk of recreating the very systems we want to change, and what it means to build a more sustainable relationship with purpose.

This is a rich and hopeful conversation about staying open-hearted in difficult times, finding ways to lead without becoming depleted, and remembering that meaningful change is not only about what we achieve, but about who we become and how we work along the way.

Key Takeaways

• Why inner work directly shapes the quality of our outer impact
• The hidden emotional and personal costs of changemaking
• How to recognize when purpose has become pressure or self-sacrifice
• Why struggling does not mean you are failing
• How hope, community, and self-awareness sustain long-term change

Learn More About Today’s Guest

• Genevieve’s website ****→ https://www.genevievenathwani.com/
• Genevieve on LinkedIn → https://www.linkedin.com/in/genevieve-nathwani-72148446/
• Book mentioned in the episode → How Not To Save The World by Anthea Lawson: https://amzn.to/456DaxD

About Genevieve Nathwani

Genevieve Nathwani coaches people taking on the world’s toughest problems to lead with greater impact and well-being. Her clients are shaping a better future across climate, human rights, finance, and technology. Her multidisciplinary approach draws on coaching, people practice, creative strategy, venture experience, and her own commitment to building a meaningful, values-aligned life.

About the Host

Jayne Warrilow is the founder of Sacred Changemakers, a global community and learning space exploring the intersection of human resonance, regenerative change, and conscious leadership.

Learn more at sacredchangemakers.com

What if the reason your best ideas aren’t landing isn’t that they lack value, but because people can’t yet see the thread that connects them?

In this energizing episode of the Sacred Changemakers Podcast, I’m joined by Tamsen Webster, researcher, author, and professional sensegiver. For more than 25 years, Tamsen has helped leaders and organizations turn new concepts into clear, principled cases for change that people can actually understand, follow, and support.

Tamsen is the creator of the Red Thread methodology, the 9 Principles of Lasting Change, and the author of Find Your Red Thread and Say What They Can’t Unhear. She is also a doctoral researcher at Teachers College, Columbia University, where she explores how to make meaningful perspective shifts both more likely and more ethical.

Together, we explore why good ideas often fail to land, even when the logic is sound, and what it really takes to create the kind of “aha” moments that lead to lasting change. Tamsen shares the difference between convincing someone and creating conviction, and why the most powerful messages are often built from principles people already hold, but haven’t yet connected.

This is such a valuable conversation for coaches, consultants, and purpose-led practitioners who are carrying ideas that matter, but who want to communicate them in ways that feel clear, ethical, and deeply human. It’s not about persuasion as pressure. It’s about helping people see something in a new way, so they can walk toward change willingly.

Key Takeaways

• Why good ideas often fail to land, even when they make perfect sense.
• How “aha moments” can be designed, not just hoped for.
• The difference between convincing people and creating real conviction.
• Why lasting change begins with principles people already believe.
• How coaches and changemakers can communicate ideas in a more ethical, resonant, and effective way.

About Tamsen Webster

Tamsen Webster is a researcher, author, and professional sensegiver who helps leaders and organizations make new ideas click. For over 25 years, she has supported people in turning novel concepts into clear, principled cases for change that others can understand and support.

Her work led to the Red Thread methodology, the 9 Principles of Lasting Change, and two books: Find Your Red Thread and Say What They Can’t Unhear. As a doctoral researcher at Teachers College, Columbia University, Tamsen studies how to make meaningful perspective shifts both more likely and more ethical.

Learn More About Today’s Guest

• Message Design Institute website ****→ https://tamsenwebster.com/
• Book: The Red Thread by Tamsen Webster → https://amzn.to/3TcWRRz
• Book: Say What They Can’t Unhear by Tamsen Webster → https://amzn.to/4eEj57w
• Tamsen on LinkedIn → https://www.linkedin.com/in/tamsenwebster/

About the Host

Jayne Warrilow is the founder of Sacred Changemakers, a global community and learning space exploring the intersection of human resonance, regenerative change, and conscious leadership.

Learn more at sacredchangemakers.com