<p><a href="https://www.city-journal.org/person/jay-donde" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Jay Donde</a> joins <a href= "https://www.city-journal.org/person/jordan-mcgillis" target= "_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Jordan McGillis</a> to discuss politics and public safety in the City by the Bay.</p>

Jay Donde joins Jordan McGillis to discuss politics and public safety in the City by the Bay.

<p><a href="https://www.city-journal.org/person/jay-donde" rel="noopener noreferrer">Jay Donde</a> joins <a href="https://www.city-journal.org/person/jordan-mcgillis" rel="noopener noreferrer">Jordan McGillis</a> to discuss politics and public safety in the City by the Bay.</p>

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