Dr Karl embraces Sand Talk. The first Australians have been exchanging complex concepts this way for 60,000 years. Climate Change and the nature of Time can both be discussed (in Sand Talk).Tyson Yunkaporta and Dr Karl share traditional wisdom and science.

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