Host: Leslie P. Lundt, MD

Guest: Arthur Freeman, EdD

“The trouble with most therapy is that it helps you feel better,” Albert Ellis told The New York Times in an interview in 2004. “But you don’t get better. You have to back it up with action, action, action.” This legend recently died – what did legacy he leave us? Joining Dr. Leslie Lundt is Arthur Freeman, Ed.D. who worked with Dr. Ellis in New York for more than 30 years and new him as a student, then colleague and close friend and associate.