In this episode of Whiplash, we unpack the concept of “scandal” in the Catholic Church — what it means in the tradition, and how it often functions in practice. With Chris Damian and Justin from Empty Chairs, we focus especially on the uneven way scandal gets applied to queer Catholics — and with Max’s perspective, to trans people in particular — where identity itself is often treated as suspect, even when someone is living in line with the church’s stated expectations. At the same time, we examine how Catholic institutions sometimes respond when credible allegations surface within their own ranks, and why the instinct is so often defensiveness rather than accountability.

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Content statement: Please be aware that this episode includes discussion of clergy sexual abuse, grooming, and institutional misconduct. While we do not go into graphic detail, these topics may be difficult for some listeners. Please take care while listening.