Poll after poll has shown for some years that a clear majority of the public are in favour of significant action on climate, and on other environmental crises, such as plastic pollution or biodiversity loss. Yet the politics of actual policy on these issues remains hotly contested and thus largely paralyzed, even in countries where outright denial of these problems is a fringe position. What we clearly need, in other words, is a climate majority, and an approach that will actually build this. In Episode 12, we turn directly to this key issue, in conversation with Rupert Read and Liam Kavanagh, who are leading a newly launched initiative specifically focused on this agenda, the Climate Majority Project. Discussing their novel and promising ‘theory of change’ – and hence how this initiative is different to others that have preceded it – as well as Rupert’s excellent and moving new book ‘Why Climate Breakdown Matters’, we explore a whole new vista on climate/environmental politics opened up by approaching these issues from a different angle, and one, moreover, that is strongly resonant with that explored in this podcast. This includes not only a clear-eyed acceptance of the basis of a Science FOR the Anthropocene, i.e. that we have already gone over the cliff’ with key mitigation milestones now behind us. But it also involves all that is further entailed by that unprecedented and painful shift in perspective, including a grappling with the key role of emotion, and especially grief, in productive response, including for science itself; and the opening up of crucial new arenas for scientific study, regarding what we learn from studying actual disaster responses or what future phoenix’-like civilisation(s) may look like.