We talk to Andreas Hirblinger and Dana Landau about their recent article on the prominent notion of ‘inclusion’ in peacemaking. Through a combination of theoretical conceptualisation, analysis of policy documents and practitioner interviews, they identify three distinct strategies for inclusion with their attendant framings for the included of ‘open’, ‘closed’, and ‘relational.’ They argue in particular for the latter as the best able recognise the power relations from which difference emerges  in the construction of an inherently ‘agonistic peace.’ Hosted by Antoine Bousquet.