Second Order Change

Today on Second Order Change we're talking to storyteller James Victor.

James and Evan both grew up as church creative lads committed to the path of truth and creative expression, even when that has lead into conflicts with the Dogma they were surrounded in. During this conversation we explore the intersection of faith, fear, and creativity - unpacking the role of stories in the human experience, and their power to heal dogmatic belief systems.

Show Links:

Jame's IG: https://www.instagram.com/probablyjamesvictor

Evan's IG: https://www.instagram.com/ebourcier

Ready to hand off Accounting so you can focus on Creative? You can hop on a No-Pressure Free Discovery Call with Core here: https://www.coregroupus.com/contact-core

We're back with part 2 of our conversation with Musical artist Mitchel Dae.

Show Links:

Mitchel's IG: https://www.instagram.com/mitcheldae

Evan's IG: https://www.instagram.com/ebourcier

Ready to hand off Accounting so you can focus on Creative? You can hop on a No-Pressure Free Discovery Call with Core here: https://www.coregroupus.com/contact-core

On this episode of Second Order Change we're talking to Alternative music artist Mitchel Dae about his journey to 450k monthly listeners without a label, which all started during one fateful night in his dorm room where he dropped his sister's guitar.

We talk about finding your voice, building a brand, finding trusted collaborators, keeping things lean, trusting the process, finding producers, and riding a discovery wave.

Show Links:

Mitchel's IG: https://www.instagram.com/mitcheldae

Evan's IG: https://www.instagram.com/ebourcier

Ready to hand off Accounting so you can focus on Creative? You can hop on a No-Pressure Free Discovery Call with Core here: https://www.coregroupus.com/contact-core

Key Topics

• Indie Artists
• Finding Your Voice
• Spotify Discovery
• Growing the Seed of an Idea
• Creating without Judgement
• Increasing Monthly Listeners
• Building a Spotify Audience
• Mitchel Dae
• Alternative Music
• Musician Brand-Building
• Creating with Depth

This week on the podcast we're talking to Jeremy Doorn.

Jeremy is my personal accountant and our relationship has changed my business and consequently, my life. We get into Jeremy's experience with how a mental breakdown pushed him to explore running as a release, his un-traditional path into accounting, and some of the biggest lessons he's learned in his time working with creative professionals.

Book a free discover call with Core: https://www.coregroupus.com/contact-core

Jeremy's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jdoorn/

Evan's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ebourcier/

Today on Second Order Change, we are talking to Mario Fabbri.

Mario is a chef, filmmaker, and entrepreneur who started his journey studying actuarial science—a career path pushed on him by a guidance counselor that he didn’t want. After dropping out of college and betting on himself, Mario dove into entrepreneurship, filmmaking, and eventually food storytelling. Now, he’s a chef dedicated to inspiring others with plant-based content and intentional eating.

In this episode, Mario talks about finding purpose, taking risks, and turning small opportunities into big wins. From learning through wedding videos to firing clients that didn’t align with his values, Mario’s story is packed with lessons on risk-taking, knowing your worth, and following your passion.

• Mario's Instagram: www.instagram.com/mariofabbrichef/
• Mario's Website: www.tryingveganwithmario.com/
• Evan's Instagram: www.instagram.com/ebourcier/
• Core Group (Accountant) Free discovery call: https://www.coregroupus.com/contact-core

• Leaving actuarial science for entrepreneurship
• Early lessons from filming wedding videos
• Finding purpose through plant-based food storytelling
• Why firing clients can be the best decision
• Building a career with a four-year creative plan
• The role of risk and resilience in success
• Tips for networking and collaboration

Today on Second Order Change we're talking to Colton Williams about his journey from low-level flyer designer to AVP of Global Brand Creative for L'Oreal. Along the way we explore our shared experience as homeschooled church kids, Deconstruction, Colton's 3 near death experiences, his 8 year stint as a Filmmaker, and so much more.

Colton's IG: https://www.instagram.com/mynameiscolton/

Evan's IG: https://www.instagram.com/ebourcier

• Homeschooling/Christian upbringing
• Retro video editing/Filmmaking beginnings
• Religious upbringing, ingrained religious tropes and stories
• Battling Cancer at 23
• Evangelical Deconstruction
• Lessons from near-death experiences
• Deconstructing faith and beliefs
• Navigating divorce and identity
• Embracing vulnerability and honesty

In this episode of Second Order Change, we talk to the incredible David Morin - delving into profound experiences of spiritual awakening, creative self-discovery, and integrating the reality of death into our lives. David shares his journey through a tumultuous period of life of existential dread which lead him to a darkness retreat, and emerging with newfound clarity, creative energy and a new identity - a poet.

The conversation touches on the challenges of honoring difficult experiences without falling into despair, the power of poetry as a transformative tool, and the importance of balancing structure and spontaneity in the creative process. We also explore the broader implications of seeing life as a series of cycles—embracing both its joyous and shadowy aspects. Listen in for a thought-provoking discussion on living wholeheartedly, even in the face of life's impermanence.

David's IG: instagram.com/mor.intune

Evan's IG: instagram.com/ebourcier

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Spiritual Awakening

Death as a Teacher

Polarities of Life

Philosophy and Paradoxes of Existence

Past Lives

In this episode, we dive into themes of personal growth, career evolution, and identity with two unique perspectives—one from the world of professional hockey and the other from a creative career in film. From professional hockey to filmmaking, we dive into the mindset needed to navigate career changes, stay motivated, and find new sources of inspiration. We also discuss the drive to push personal limits, find new passions, and the complexities of navigating high-level creative industries. The episode closes with insights into developing leadership skills, creative freedom, and why understanding the technical nuances of a craft is essential yet can sometimes be overemphasized. 

  Key Topics:

• Self-Discovery
• Identity and Experience in Professional Hockey
• Transitioning from a Sports Career to New Passions
• Navigating High-Level Careers in Film and Creativity
• Leadership, Soft Skills, and Confidence in Creative Roles
• Staying Driven Through Career Transitions
• Meditation, Mental Clarity, and Flow State

Join us as we unpack these themes with humor, honesty, and a shared commitment to growth in and beyond our chosen paths. 

 More of Jordan:

• Instagram: www.instagram.com/joadelic/?hl=en
• Youtube: www.youtube.com/@atribecalledowens
• Web Design: https://www.origincreative.ca/about-us

This is a good one, we promise.

Find Jacob on IG at: https://www.instagram.com/jacobstahler

Today we're talking to Therapist Jourdan Blue - and you're not going to want to miss it.

JOURDAN BLUE is a licensed Marriage and Family Therapist and the creator of Relationship Theory. She is a direct and results oriented therapist and coach that has worked with thousands of individuals and couples and is known for her ability to completely rewire and change insecure attachment styles permanently. She works with professional athletes and celebrities and also specializes in transforming mindsets, insecurities, and optimizing top performance through her rewiring process. She has traveled the world officiating weddings for her success stories and is on a mission to create more thriving healthy relationships. She believes “It’s not meant to be, It’s made to be” and she wants to ensure everyone has the opportunity to have the life (and relationship) they’ve always dreamed of. In addition to all of this, she teaches therapists her Relationship Theory Model so they can get direct and lasting results for their clients too. Jourdan currently lives in Nashville, TN with her husband Ryan and you can find her online at RelationshipTheory.com