Secrets of the Better Halves

"The After Show" is where we go to exhale after interviewing our guests. Hear what our hosts felt about the conversation, what surprised them the most, and what's their biggest takeaway.

It's an episode of firsts. Our first podcast, with the first Second Gentleman of the United States, who's the spouse of the first woman vice president of the U.S. Doug Emhoff has an important yet unique role, from supporting his partner in her job, sharing the priorities of the Biden-Harris Administration, to championing issues that are close to his heart. 

In this episode, we pull back the curtain and explore his dynamic relationship with his wife, Vice President Kamala Harris, and get advice on how all of us can support our "better half." Learn about Doug and Kamala's first date, which he calls "the most famous blind date in history." Did he ever feel he was being measured up for a public role with her? What is the basis for their successful relationship, what rituals do they have in their partnership, and what can we learn from them? 

We also have some fun with our lightning round questions, like, has you golf game improved or gotten worse as Second Gentleman, whose the first to apologize, Doug or Kamala, and what do you do for her that makes her super happy? We invite you to share our podcast, click "follow" so you don't miss an episode, and follow us on social media. For more information about our hosts and this podcast, visit www.SecretsoftheBetterHalves.com

Doug Emhoff BIO: https://www.whitehouse.gov/administration/douglas-emhoff/

About Our Hosts

Dan Mulhern is an author, professor and executive coach, who helps his clients lead their organizations and each other, as better halves. Dan’s better half is Jennifer Granholm, former two-term Governor of Michigan and now U.S. Energy Secretary.

Debbie Phillips is a pioneering life and executive coach who founded Women on Fire to support women leaders. She lost her better half, Rob to cancer, and celebrates his memory by helping couples achieve more deeply satisfying relationships.

Markos Kounalakis, an award-winning foreign affairs columnist, author, and scholar. Markos’s better half is Eleni Kounalakis, former U.S. Ambassador to Hungary and now California's Lieutenant Governor.

Our upcoming guests include the spouses of two of our hosts, U.S. Energy Secretary Jennifer Granholm and California Lieutenant Governor Eleni Kounalakis, along with world-renowned marriage experts Julie and John Gottman, Jennifer Siebel Newsom, New York TImes Chief White House Correspondent Peter Baker and his spouse Susan Glasser of The New Yorker, just to name a few. 

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