In this episode of Defence Deconstructed, we make available the third panel from our September 16th 2025 conference Charting Canada’s Digital Ambition, titled “Setting the Conditions for Success”. Featuring Jody Thomas, ADM Nutan Behki and Mel Crocker, moderated by BGen (Ret’d) Chris Ayotte, the four discuss human and technological risk point in both government and industry.

This conference was organized by Triple Helix, supported by the Department of National Defence’s Mobilizing Insights in Defence and Security (MINDS) program, CGAI’s strategic sponsors, and conference sponsors Dell Technologies and Microsoft.

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Guest bios:

- Jody Thomas is the former National Security and Intelligence Advisor to the Prime Minister

- Nutan Behki is Assistant Deputy Minister for Shared Services Canada

- Mel Crocker is the Chief Information Officer of Air Canada

- Brigadier-General (Ret'd) Chris Ayotte is Principal BD Manager for the National

Security and Defence Team at AWS Canada.

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Host bio:

- David Perry is President and CEO of the Canadian Global Affairs Institute

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Music Credit: Drew Phillips | Producer: Jordyn Carroll

Release date:

17 October 2025