Dr Lindelwa Ntutela and I converse about wounds created by structural inequity and protracted exposure to violence both in South Africa and within the USA. And how this wounding shows up in similar ways especially in Black and African American women in both countries. We will discuss the gaps this wounding causes in our minds, spirit, and soul. Also, we talk about the opportunities to close some of the gaps with participation within the program offerings at Pivot Sacramento. Employers there are many benefits for your operation’s budget bottom line and opportunities to impact the socio-economic community within Sacramento. Thereby, affecting the 4th largest economic system in the world which is the state of California. The top largest economies in the world are USA, China, Japan, and California. Employers of California let’s be the change.